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Eko

(8,611 posts)
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 08:41 PM Jan 2019

Texas pastor urges followers to stone a 'rebellious' student to death as example to other troublemak

"You know you could squash rebellion in a public school today? Take the rebellious one out and stone him. I bet they’d shapen up pretty quick. I bet they’d figure out, “Maybe I should hearken under the authorities in my life.” And we see, unfortunately, our society is continually destroying itself, because [all of these] rebellious, arrogant, prideful teenage jerks that just don’t want to hearken to their parents, you know, and God said they should be put to death."

"The guy that’s the lazy gamer, “I don’t want to get a job. I just want to play video games all day and drink alcohol with my buddies,” that guy should be put to death."
https://friendlyatheist.patheos.com/2019/01/22/baptist-preacher-rebellious-kids-in-public-schools-should-be-stoned-to-death/

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Texas pastor urges followers to stone a 'rebellious' student to death as example to other troublemak (Original Post) Eko Jan 2019 OP
"Shapen up"? 3catwoman3 Jan 2019 #1
Maybe he is "Christian," but he's definitely not GWC58 Jan 2019 #4
Pastor might want to review the beginning of John 8. tanyev Jan 2019 #2
I've told this one before. Cartoonist Jan 2019 #8
Does John 8 override Deuteronomy 21? Act_of_Reparation Jan 2019 #11
Well, for people who define themselves as Christians, the NT is supposed to override the OT, tanyev Jan 2019 #12
Says who? Act_of_Reparation Jan 2019 #13
Yes, and in the mainline denomination in which I grew up, Jesus' fulfillment of the law tanyev Jan 2019 #15
You're getting closer... Act_of_Reparation Jan 2019 #16
You know how you can get exboyfil Jan 2019 #3
👍🏻👌🏻 GWC58 Jan 2019 #6
That's disturbing. gtar100 Jan 2019 #5
Biblical literalist Major Nikon Jan 2019 #7
A slight correction, if I may. silverweb Jan 2019 #9
Fraid not. It's also found in the NT as the words of Jesus Major Nikon Jan 2019 #10
Really? silverweb Jan 2019 #17
Really Major Nikon Jan 2019 #18
Do your children misbehave? Are they insolent and disrespectful? MineralMan Jan 2019 #14
Beat them into submission. If they still do not submit, kill them demigoddess Mar 2019 #19
In a sense, the Old Testament is an argument FOR reproductive choice. MineralMan Mar 2019 #20
And there you have a Trumpster. MineralMan Mar 2019 #21

tanyev

(44,753 posts)
2. Pastor might want to review the beginning of John 8.
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 08:55 PM
Jan 2019
3The scribes and the Pharisees brought a woman who had been caught in adultery, and placing her in the midst 4they said to him, “Teacher, this woman has been caught in the act of adultery. 5Now in the Law, Moses commanded us to stone such women. So what do you say?”

6This they said to test him, that they might have some charge to bring against him. Jesus bent down and wrote with his finger on the ground. 7And as they continued to ask him, he stood up and said to them, “Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her.” 8And once more he bent down and wrote on the ground.

9But when they heard it, they went away one by one, beginning with the older ones, and Jesus was left alone with the woman standing before him. 10Jesus stood up and said to her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?” 11She said, “No one, Lord.” And Jesus said, “Neither do I condemn you; go, and from now on sin no more.”

Cartoonist

(7,558 posts)
8. I've told this one before.
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 10:36 PM
Jan 2019

“Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her.”

A matronly lady then stepped forward. She picked up a stone and threw it.

"Mom, I wish you'd stop embarrassing me. "

tanyev

(44,753 posts)
12. Well, for people who define themselves as Christians, the NT is supposed to override the OT,
Wed Jan 23, 2019, 09:21 AM
Jan 2019

but there seems to be an ever growing number favoring a selective adherence.

tanyev

(44,753 posts)
15. Yes, and in the mainline denomination in which I grew up, Jesus' fulfillment of the law
Wed Jan 23, 2019, 10:02 AM
Jan 2019

was seen as the reason why the laws and regulations of the OT no longer needed to be followed to the letter.

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
16. You're getting closer...
Wed Jan 23, 2019, 10:14 AM
Jan 2019

Christians don't follow OT law for the same reason Jews don't follow it: because they don't want to.

Some Christians, feeling guilty about it, rationalize their failure to live up the exacting moral standards set by iron age goat herders by playing semantic Twister with vague verses like the ones cited above.

exboyfil

(18,038 posts)
3. You know how you can get
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 09:17 PM
Jan 2019

the rich to pay more of their share of taxes. Let's stone one as an example.

gtar100

(4,192 posts)
5. That's disturbing.
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 09:55 PM
Jan 2019

Serious mental issues with Pastor Jonathan Shelley of Pure Words Baptist Church in Houston. Keep your children far, far away from that place. "Pure words" my ass. Me thinks the psycho conveniently skipped parts of the Bible that contradict the "stoning" of children. I've been on the receiving end of that "spare the rod, spoil the child" mentality and I can honestly say it doesn't work but has disastrous consequences on the parent-child relationship (to put it mildly).

Some people just miss the good old days when parents could beat their children with impunity. Modern living has put a crimp in their style, much to their chagrin. Good.

silverweb

(16,402 posts)
9. A slight correction, if I may.
Wed Jan 23, 2019, 01:01 AM
Jan 2019
Cherry-picking Old Testament literalist.

I've never heard about one of these assholes ever choosing the words of Jesus over words of retribution and punishment from the Old Testament - but they still dare to call themselves "Christian."

Major Nikon

(36,911 posts)
10. Fraid not. It's also found in the NT as the words of Jesus
Wed Jan 23, 2019, 01:49 AM
Jan 2019

All Christians cherry pick from the bible. If anything this one is more honest about it than most by cherry picking less and just shows what a bad idea it is to be a "true Christian".

silverweb

(16,402 posts)
17. Really?
Wed Jan 23, 2019, 11:25 AM
Jan 2019

Stoning "rebellious" youth is in the New Testament? Please show me where stoning anyone is called for or justified by Jesus.

Major Nikon

(36,911 posts)
18. Really
Wed Jan 23, 2019, 11:27 AM
Jan 2019
Matthew 15:4 New International Version (NIV)

4 For God said, ‘Honor your father and mother’[a] and ‘Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death.’
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+15%3A4&version=NIV

MineralMan

(148,008 posts)
14. Do your children misbehave? Are they insolent and disrespectful?
Wed Jan 23, 2019, 09:28 AM
Jan 2019

Beat them into submission. If they still do not submit, kill them.

And there you have it. Primitive responses and primitive actions. That is why relying on Iron Age writings or even earlier principles is a mistake. Today, we know better, but continue to follow the rules set up by itinerant goatherds living as wandering nomads and warriors.

Why do we continue to do that? Simply following ancient traditions is not necessary the best solution. You'd think we would have learned that, wouldn't you?

Feh!

demigoddess

(6,675 posts)
19. Beat them into submission. If they still do not submit, kill them
Sun Mar 31, 2019, 03:16 PM
Mar 2019

sounds like another version of abortion, if you ask me. Have a kid and if you don't like what they are, kill them. Abortion after birth and murder.

MineralMan

(148,008 posts)
20. In a sense, the Old Testament is an argument FOR reproductive choice.
Sun Mar 31, 2019, 03:33 PM
Mar 2019

If you child talks back to you, the Bible says to kill it. God ordered children to be put to death several times in the OT, as well. Of course, those were the children of "enemies" who didn't worship that deity, but still...sometimes it was just the boy children, who were killed like everyone who "pisseth against the wall."

The OT God, himself, killed all of the firstborn in Egypt once, too, and in Noah's flood, killed everyone, save Noah and his family. Or so it is written, as an example to its followers.

The deity of the Old Testament was an erratic sort of supernatural entity, ready to lash out and mete death about anyone it chose to die. Reproductive choice, even if post-natal.

Point all that out to the "pro-life" community, and you'll get some standard explanation like, "God's ways are not man's ways."

Platitudes that substitute for rational thinking.

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