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Major Nikon

(36,911 posts)
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 11:48 AM Jan 2019

The difference between a sermon and a discussion

A sermon is essentially a speech provided to an audience where discussion doesn't happen. You present your point of view and leave. You don't take questions and you don't invite criticism of your point of view.

So how is this different than a discussion? A discussion is a two way conversation. Substantive discussion requires both sides to present their point of view and generally involves a back and forth process which involves the expectation of both sides answering relevant questions.

Now let's look at the contract that every person tacitly agrees to when they start a thread in this group. The foremost sentence says:
Discuss religious and theological issues.

It should go without saying this is the SOP for this group and the TOS for DU requires compliance with all SOPs. Now we all know this isn't well enforced. We've all seen the drive-by posts where someone posts a provocative subject matter and then abandons the thread never to be seen again. So this is one level of dishonesty. Another level of dishonesty exists when a person pretends to discuss the subject, but flatly refuses to engage in anything remotely resembling a good faith effort to discuss the subject. This usually takes the form of recognizable fallacies like whataboutism or may even rise to straight out ad hominem. When this happens once or twice you might be able to write it off as oversight and intellectual dishonesty, but when someone engages in that behavior over dozens, if not hundreds of threads over a long period of time, it's hard not to get a sense there's some pretty high level fuckery going on.

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The difference between a sermon and a discussion (Original Post) Major Nikon Jan 2019 OP
How darest thou! True Dough Jan 2019 #1
Standard Operating Procedure. SOP. MineralMan Jan 2019 #2
This is inevitably what you run into in all types of discussion groups Major Nikon Jan 2019 #3
Exactly. As the saying used to go you have to: MineralMan Jan 2019 #4

MineralMan

(148,024 posts)
2. Standard Operating Procedure. SOP.
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 12:18 PM
Jan 2019

Thus has it been. Thus will it always be.

Most members here will discuss ideas. Some will do something else. SOP.

Major Nikon

(36,911 posts)
3. This is inevitably what you run into in all types of discussion groups
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 12:26 PM
Jan 2019

You are eventually going to get people who don't like where the discussion goes and rather than engage in a good faith effort to present a different point of view, their objective is to disrupt through shitposting.

Sometimes it's good just to realize this is going to happen and recognize it for what it is.

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