Not a reliable predictor of future events.

So why do we have it, again?

Money is at the root of the problems.

Trillions spent on a war budget is a huge part of the problem.

Too low taxes for the rich is another part.

...is absolutely silly in the extreme.

Especially when confronted with problems of which it was a major catalyst or of its own making.

Why anyone would suggest otherwise is a mystery.



Oh, and for the record, the quote is properly "the love of money..." is the root, not money itself.

Any verifiably True Christian™ I've ever met has known that quote explicitly. Just sayin'.

Religion by itself cannot solve anything. It provides a belief system.

In China, by contrast, the atheists who run the Government are putting people into reeducation camps, banning public display of religion, and behaving the same way that the atheists who ran Russia behaved.

Is this an example of eliminating religion leading to a workers paradise?

...religion cannot solve problems or anything for that matter.

It merely provides a distraction.

you obviously do not need theism.

Now, what about the example that the Chinese Government is providing? Is this a non-theistic paradise?

...proffered straw-man arguments.

But, I'm willing to agree that religion cannot solve and is not the answer to the cultural/political/financial problems within China.

As you stated above, religion cannot solve anything.



You've already conceded that point.

The Chinese Government is run by atheists. And we all know what the Chinese Government is doing. So yes, I understand the refusal of you and other here to discuss China because the facts contradict the narrative that you prefer to push.

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...intentionally, did you?

Interesting avoidance of what cannot be explained away as "bad theists".

...I only posted the narrative that Fewer Americans Believe Religion Can Solve Problems.

China is your bailiwick, not mine.

Your, What-About-Ism.

Truly, I do. China provides a reality check for all of these narratives promoted by a few here.

So yes, I understand why you avoid the topic.

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Avoidance can be an issue, but avoiding an uncomfortable topic is not the solution.

The logical alternative is to ask why the atheists who run the Chinese Government are so intolerant. But that might lead to the conclusion that human intolerance is the actual problem.

And that conclusion would upset the preferred narrative.

I understand you prefer to avoid some things.

Really, I do.

But ones that are good, well, Ill let you answer.
"These secular nations are also much wealthier."
https://democraticunderground.com/1218302165#post24
So, bad because of atheist, good because of money. Not being very consistent there are ya?

You appear to have moved from Rumi to Chinese atheism as your pet topic. Nobody here thinks China is a good model for society, politics or religious freedom. That's your strawman.

For you, and everyone else, I am neither.

is a strawman construct. To the best of my knowledge China hasn't made atheism the state religion.

And if one overlooks the re-educations camps, and the persecution of Muslims, and the strict control of every form of religious expression, and putting Han Chinese observers in Muslim households as guests, and the actual history of China from Mao to the present day, one might accept that there is freedom of religion.

of our problems. Make up your minds.

Getting that percentage to zero is going to be hard.

Religion has never solved a single world crisis. It has actually been the cause of more than one.

It's good to see people might be beginning to wake up to logic and reason over wishful thinking and praying to non-existent beings.