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guillaumeb

(42,649 posts)
Fri Dec 21, 2018, 07:43 PM Dec 2018

'Hacking the good' from religion at a secular solstice

From the article:

Last Saturday I found myself at a service in honor of the winter solstice.
We began by consecrating the space – turning first east, then south, then west, then north, promising to honor the virtues traditionally symbolically associated with those directions. We rose and sat together. We sang songs in unison – about the darkness of uncertainty, the vastness of nature, the promise of tomorrow. We extinguished LED candles, one by one, reflecting on death, and on what it meant to live in a broken and ontologically meaningless world...…

In a country where religious people tend to be happier than the 24 percent who identify as “religiously unaffiliated,” it makes sense perhaps that groups bent on optimizing human behavior would try to salvage what they see as the measurable good from religious experience.
To “hack the good” from religion, then, means taking away metaphysical truth or a higher power from religion so that it becomes fundamentally a communal activity designed to reinforce group bonds and, no less importantly, group values.
Those values include religious principles such as altruism, but members of these secular communities are invited in turn to commit themselves to scientific research to solve social problems, including death itself, if only by helping to fund such research. In doing so they affirm their membership in the group.


To read more:

https://religionnews.com/2018/12/20/hacking-the-good-from-religion-at-a-secular-solstice/
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'Hacking the good' from religion at a secular solstice (Original Post) guillaumeb Dec 2018 OP
Religion provides a context, and an opportunity for community. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #1
OK. How is this significant? MineralMan Dec 2018 #2
It is apparent that you found what you looked for. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #4
Ah, a riddle instead of an answer... MineralMan Dec 2018 #5
No, a commentary on how we often find what we wish to find. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #6
Non-responsive. MineralMan Dec 2018 #7
If you are determined to "find" or "not find" something, guillaumeb Dec 2018 #8
Good day to you, sir! MineralMan Dec 2018 #9
And to you as well. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #10
religionists hijacked the rituals then murdered original practitioners by the msongs Dec 2018 #3

guillaumeb

(42,649 posts)
1. Religion provides a context, and an opportunity for community.
Fri Dec 21, 2018, 07:45 PM
Dec 2018

And humans need such community, and such shared values.

MineralMan

(148,028 posts)
2. OK. How is this significant?
Fri Dec 21, 2018, 08:20 PM
Dec 2018

People attend large parties, too. Humans are social animals. This group of 100 people gathered for some reason. What is significant about this particular solstice gathering, do you think?

Tens of thousands will gather on Sunday at various stadia to observe another ritual event. They will sing, chant and commune together. Is NFL football a religious-equivalent event, too?

The article and the author's conclusions are ludicrous, really.

guillaumeb

(42,649 posts)
4. It is apparent that you found what you looked for.
Sat Dec 22, 2018, 01:24 PM
Dec 2018

But did you find what was there to be found?

guillaumeb

(42,649 posts)
6. No, a commentary on how we often find what we wish to find.
Sat Dec 22, 2018, 01:37 PM
Dec 2018

And given your well known attitude toward theism, it is obvious what you would find.

MineralMan

(148,028 posts)
7. Non-responsive.
Sat Dec 22, 2018, 01:40 PM
Dec 2018

Either answer the question or do not. Your weak attempt at a riddle is just another way of answering a question with another question. It is non responsive and a sign of an inability to answer.

Today is not a day of patience for me, so I will be direct: Answer or do not bother to reply. Evasion is a very weak strategy.

guillaumeb

(42,649 posts)
8. If you are determined to "find" or "not find" something,
Sat Dec 22, 2018, 01:44 PM
Dec 2018

you will succeed.

Religion is one expression of community. And religious community is found in the very earliest written records, as well as present in the archeological record.

You might feel that humans will magically evolve beyond religion, but your position is pure speculation.

msongs

(70,287 posts)
3. religionists hijacked the rituals then murdered original practitioners by the
Fri Dec 21, 2018, 09:21 PM
Dec 2018

hundreds of millions if not more. good to see the return of sanity in the face of massive religionist oppression

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