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...the demonstrated behavior of their priests and clergy.

All humans display human attributes.

Or punt. I don't really care what you do.

exhibited everywhere must serve some function.

Or do you expect perfection of some groups?

except more of the same, followed by more of the same, ad infinitum. Until the mass of individual humans rejects the leadership of those organizations and acts in sensible, humanitarian ways, nothing will change.

Expecting long-established organizations, overloaded with doctrine, to change is expecting too much. History has demonstrated that remarkably well.

So, throw off your bonds and join with others who recognize the harm being done by religion.

No matter the motivation, it is harm done by humans.

It often works in evil ways. Religion can cause great harm. Do you truly not understand that, Guy? Do you not abhor that, Guy? Do you not fight against that, Guy? Or do you simply act as a religious apologist?


Fight evil, Guy. That's my advice to you. Fight it, regardless of its source.

If it clearly doesn't make us better, then what's the fucking point?

You gotta serve somebody. Otherwise, you're responsible for your own sorry-assed behavior, see?

Perhaps they can tell you.

...I am asking a theist.

As can you.

Answer the question.

Arglebargle.

Why do you want to shut down any discussion that doesn't happen on your terms?

Seeking control. It is a futile quest, however. Rug used to do the same thing, but he is no longer on DU.