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Related: About this forumIf the Bible is primarily metaphorical or allegorical, it's a work of fiction.
The Harry Potter series and the Lord of the Rings Trilogy are also works of fiction. What's the difference? Jonathan Swift's Gulliver's Travels is also a work of allegorical and metaphorical fiction. How is the Bible better than that?
Some people who are Christians agree that the Bible is not meant to be taken as non-fiction and that it is metaphorical in nature. Other Christians claim it's "God's Own Truth." Clearly, the second group does not have evidence on its side.
So, if it's not a work of non-fiction, where is its value as a guidebook? Where does the salvation come from? What does it really mean? Both the Harry Potter series and Lord of the Rings are full of moral truths and lessons. They're pretty much the same truths and lessons as are in the Bible. In fact, a lot of fiction has those truths and lessons in it. That's because they're logical, recognizable, and about as universal as any thing is.
So, why is one work of fiction so important. Time? Well, yes, the Bible's been around a long time, in one version or another. But truth? Is fiction truth? Is metaphor reality? Is allegory equivalent to actual events?
Food for thought...
Fullduplexxx
(8,364 posts)MineralMan
(148,028 posts)demosincebirth
(12,740 posts)DFW
(56,897 posts)MineralMan
(148,028 posts)AZ8theist
(6,565 posts)DFW
(56,897 posts)But that one is definitely in the top ten, maybe top five. Sorkin is one BRILLIANT scriptwriter, but it was perfectly cast and acted, too.
AZ8theist
(6,565 posts)But the put-down of a sanctimonious "Dr Laura" lookalike was AWESOME!!!!
LongtimeAZDem
(4,515 posts)RKP5637
(67,112 posts)books/portions they threw out. ... like today, propaganda meant to inspire certain behaviors. I love it when someone tells me they read the entire bible. In my world it's like DUH! One guy told me he read it three times. DUH!
FBaggins
(27,804 posts)The bible isn't a single book (actually... the name makes that clear), and different pieces have different proportions of readers believing that they are metaphor/inspired.
Some of the books are clearly historical, others are poetry. Some pieces of other books are considered by some to be allegorical, but that's entirely different from saying that they are "fiction". Comparisons to Tolkien/Rowling books are laughable of course - particularly in the case of Tolkien (as is an implication that metaphor and "God's own truth" are the only options on that spectrum).
Of course... Guinness ranks it as the #1 selling nonfiction book of all time. So there that.
Major Nikon
(36,911 posts)MineralMan
(148,028 posts)"And his days were 900 years..."
Major Nikon
(36,911 posts)MineralMan
(148,028 posts)So...
Major Nikon
(36,911 posts)Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)Inquiring minds want to know.
MineralMan
(148,028 posts)Where are the records of the "plagues" of Egypt?
FBaggins
(27,804 posts)... is that a historian getting facts wrong does not move his published history text from non-fiction to fiction.
MineralMan
(148,028 posts)OK, then. Real good, then...
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)History, by my reckoning, is an attempt to chronicle antecedent events to provide understanding for those who were not there, particularly future generations. There isn't a single book of the bible I've read that even remotely appears to serve this end. The ultimate goal is not historical understanding, but promulgation of religious belief. These are not historical chronicles. They are myths with real historical figures as characters. If we are to consider Exodus historical because Pharaoh was a real guy, we may as well move "Cold Mountain", "Dances With Wolves", and "Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter" over to the non-fiction section posthaste.
MineralMan
(148,028 posts)is actually historical or factual. Show your evidence. Babel? Jonah? Patriarchs living hundreds of years? It is to laugh.
AZ8theist
(6,565 posts)The burning bush and the talking snake HAVE TO BE REAL, amiright??!?!?!
MineralMan
(148,028 posts)But it was a "serpent" so it might have been, you know, a dragon. They're real, too. See Harry Potter.
LakeSuperiorView
(1,533 posts)so surely there was a white whale. Sherlock Holmes as well as Harry Potter must have existed as the streets of London are known to many.
Major Nikon
(36,911 posts)Right after he metaphorically filled the bellies of a 5 thousand with a couple of fish and a dozen bagels.
LakeSuperiorView
(1,533 posts)Major Nikon
(36,911 posts)Wouldn't be kosher otherwise.
MineralMan
(148,028 posts)A little lox couldn't hurt either.
DFW
(56,897 posts)Of course, Guinness can call it what it wants. But they might as well also call the Harry Potter series "nonfiction," as far as I'm concerned. It won't change my perception of either.
Major Nikon
(36,911 posts)...than offending the privileged majority by calling it fiction.
edhopper
(35,068 posts)in the sense we can believe is accurate?
WhiteTara
(30,229 posts)by Power. The power lies in people believing that work of fiction and taking it as gospel. I see so many Egyptian, Greek and even older myths used as the foundation of the story. Without the "stolen" stories of others, there would be no bible.
malchickiwick
(1,474 posts)The difference being that we have exact replicas of precisely what Swift, Tolkien, and Rowling put down on paper, while those other works began as oral stories only written down after many centuries (in ancient languages) and come to us only after multiple translations.
But fiction? Indubitably.
handmade34
(22,950 posts)with excellent marketing...
edhopper
(35,068 posts)Harry Potter.
MineralMan
(148,028 posts)Nobody would have read it.
edhopper
(35,068 posts)So we can pronounce it.
guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)No, simply leftovers.
MineralMan
(148,028 posts)Waste not; want not.