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edhopper

(35,068 posts)
Thu Dec 13, 2018, 09:55 AM Dec 2018

We can never truly know or understand God

Except the most expansive institutions on the planet are predicated on knowing exactly what God has said and wants.

Do I have that right?

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We can never truly know or understand God (Original Post) edhopper Dec 2018 OP
You've got it right PJMcK Dec 2018 #1
another good question edhopper Dec 2018 #8
Which one? Pope George Ringo II Dec 2018 #15
Maybe they're all the same thing? PJMcK Dec 2018 #16
Those two things edhopper Dec 2018 #21
God's will is unknowable Major Nikon Dec 2018 #2
Well, to be fair to most religionists, they do say he told us what he wants marylandblue Dec 2018 #3
Now that's not true. trotsky Dec 2018 #13
Conversely Pope George Ringo II Dec 2018 #14
Now you're getting how this works! trotsky Dec 2018 #17
Well the DU Religion Group is its own special place marylandblue Dec 2018 #18
Well, one thing is definitely clear. trotsky Dec 2018 #19
Of course we can. Here's a summary: MineralMan Dec 2018 #4
I'm more interested in knowing and understanding the mind of leprechauns and... NeoGreen Dec 2018 #5
yes and JenniferJuniper Dec 2018 #6
Pretty much zipplewrath Dec 2018 #7
Yet our entire life edhopper Dec 2018 #10
Something like that zipplewrath Dec 2018 #11
That would be more urgent edhopper Dec 2018 #20
WRONG ! I know. 3Hotdogs Dec 2018 #9
"We can never truly know or understand God... trotsky Dec 2018 #12
I'm thinking of a song... uriel1972 Dec 2018 #22

edhopper

(35,068 posts)
8. another good question
Thu Dec 13, 2018, 11:00 AM
Dec 2018

thatmost religions say is unknowable while telling us exactly what God is.

edhopper

(35,068 posts)
21. Those two things
Thu Dec 13, 2018, 03:06 PM
Dec 2018

are not equal.

Maybe there are unicorns and leprechauns, maybe not.

The probability is vastly different.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
3. Well, to be fair to most religionists, they do say he told us what he wants
Thu Dec 13, 2018, 10:13 AM
Dec 2018

and we can get to know him. It's only in the DU Religion Group that I've heard of an inscrutable Creator, about whom we can know nothing, not even if he exists or not. We must be out of the loop here.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
13. Now that's not true.
Thu Dec 13, 2018, 11:12 AM
Dec 2018

Someone claims to know LOTS about said "Creator," but his claims aren't really claims so there.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
17. Now you're getting how this works!
Thu Dec 13, 2018, 11:23 AM
Dec 2018

Much easier to debate issues when your position is completely unassailable while your opponents must justify calling the sky blue!

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
18. Well the DU Religion Group is its own special place
Thu Dec 13, 2018, 11:30 AM
Dec 2018

Where the clear is murky and the murky is clear.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
19. Well, one thing is definitely clear.
Thu Dec 13, 2018, 11:33 AM
Dec 2018

There are some who want every statement pertaining to gods or religious belief free of any criticism or questioning. Despite having MULTIPLE groups where this is exactly the policy, they instead obsess over the one particular discussion area where those things are not prohibited.

MineralMan

(148,028 posts)
4. Of course we can. Here's a summary:
Thu Dec 13, 2018, 10:18 AM
Dec 2018

God created everything, but He made mistakes.
God hates you because He made those mistakes.
God won't eternally kill and punish you - if you do what we tell you He said to do.
God said you should do the following things:

God wants you to give us money.
God wants you to keep your questions to yourself.
God wants you to obey us, his priests and pastors, in all things.

NeoGreen

(4,033 posts)
5. I'm more interested in knowing and understanding the mind of leprechauns and...
Thu Dec 13, 2018, 10:27 AM
Dec 2018

...the motives of unicorns.

JenniferJuniper

(4,548 posts)
6. yes and
Thu Dec 13, 2018, 10:33 AM
Dec 2018

God hates queers, don't you see
God hates immigrants, just like me
God wants the poor to suck it up, and I agree
God is good with kids in cages, fine with me
God thinks Father Knows Best was a reality show,
And back to the 50's we should go

Aren't I just the Godliest person ever?

zipplewrath

(16,692 posts)
7. Pretty much
Thu Dec 13, 2018, 10:41 AM
Dec 2018

Of all the conflicts I might have with organized religion, one of the less controversial and yet more threatening to them is that they don't all "know" the same God, yet all profess to know him anyway. And infinite being is incomprehensible to a people that still can't figure out the Unified Field Theorem, or even know if there is one. But somehow we are able to know and understand an infinite being. At best, one should acknowledge that "knowing God" would be akin to the blind man touching the elephant. One will "know" very little about the elephant, and it will very likely be completely different from what other blind men are touching.

zipplewrath

(16,692 posts)
11. Something like that
Thu Dec 13, 2018, 11:10 AM
Dec 2018

Although if you're feeling the tusk, ya might wanna take a couple of steps back.

3Hotdogs

(13,588 posts)
9. WRONG ! I know.
Thu Dec 13, 2018, 11:01 AM
Dec 2018

For a couple'a hundred dollars a year, I'll tell you what he says.

BARGAIN RATE ! For a cash deposit of $10,000, + $25,000 on installments, I know how to get you a seat in the Sky Room, right next to Jesus. But you gotta act fast. Seats are limited on a first come, first serve basis. When they're gone, they're gone.

PM me if interested. If not, you take your chances.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
12. "We can never truly know or understand God...
Thu Dec 13, 2018, 11:11 AM
Dec 2018

...except for all the things I'm going to tell you about MY god." -- Pretty much every believer, everywhere.

uriel1972

(4,261 posts)
22. I'm thinking of a song...
Thu Dec 13, 2018, 03:48 PM
Dec 2018

"We sit and argue all night long,
About a God we've never seen,
Who never fails,
To agree with me..."

Sitting outside a broken phone booth with money in my hand, is the title the band, The Primitive Radio Gods? not sure on that one

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