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Eugene

(62,784 posts)
Mon Dec 10, 2018, 03:23 PM Dec 2018

Group says dozens detained in raid on Chinese church

Source: Associated Press

Group says dozens detained in raid on Chinese church

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS BEIJING — Dec 10, 2018, 7:17 AM ET

Dozens of Christians have been detained in a raid on a prominent Chinese church that operates outside the government's official Protestant organization, a U.S.-based advocacy group said Monday.

At least 80 churchgoers and seminary students from the Early Rain Covenant Church were taken away in the southwestern city of Chengdu beginning Sunday night, ChinaAid said. Those detained include the church's pastor, Wang Yi, and his wife, Jiang Rong.

China has cracked down heavily on independent church groups this year as part of an assault on all religions.

The government requires that Protestants worship only in churches recognized and regulated by the Three-Self Patriotic Movement. Even within that framework, the officially atheist ruling Communist Party has been seeking to rein in religious expression, including removing crosses from official and unofficial churches.

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Read more: https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/group-dozens-detained-raid-chinese-church-59722299
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Group says dozens detained in raid on Chinese church (Original Post) Eugene Dec 2018 OP
"The official Protestant Organization". guillaumeb Dec 2018 #1
Yes, that's what the Chinese government does. Our disapproval of that MineralMan Dec 2018 #3
Intolerance in action. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #4
Citation needed. Act_of_Reparation Dec 2018 #5
There's no citation needed, it's just unsupported belief marylandblue Dec 2018 #7
Observation of human behavior required. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #8
How did you control for selection bias? Act_of_Reparation Dec 2018 #9
Read the article. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #10
The article doesn't answer my question. Act_of_Reparation Dec 2018 #11
Diversion in action. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #13
Mad Libs in action. Act_of_Reparation Dec 2018 #14
Since I believe in and practice freedom of religion, along with marylandblue Dec 2018 #6
I don't think anyone here supports the Chinese approach MineralMan Dec 2018 #2
Actually most of us here support restrictions Voltaire2 Dec 2018 #12

guillaumeb

(42,649 posts)
1. "The official Protestant Organization".
Mon Dec 10, 2018, 03:25 PM
Dec 2018

And, we have this:

The government requires that Protestants worship only in churches recognized and regulated by the Three-Self Patriotic Movement. Even within that framework, the officially atheist ruling Communist Party has been seeking to rein in religious expression, including removing crosses from official and unofficial churches.



Showing once again, if it were needed, that intolerance seems to be the default setting for humans.

MineralMan

(148,028 posts)
3. Yes, that's what the Chinese government does. Our disapproval of that
Tue Dec 11, 2018, 03:14 PM
Dec 2018

will have zero effect on any of it. So, what's the point of commenting, Guy? None of us are calling for churches to be shut down. We tolerate religious worship just fine. We're less tolerant of religions that attempt to force their views on others. Personally, I'm actively intolerant of that, especially when it comes to women's reproductive choice. But, that's a different discussion, isn't it?

guillaumeb

(42,649 posts)
4. Intolerance in action.
Tue Dec 11, 2018, 05:47 PM
Dec 2018

No matter the claimed beliefs, humans behave in mainly the same way.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
7. There's no citation needed, it's just unsupported belief
Tue Dec 11, 2018, 10:29 PM
Dec 2018

which it's just as valid as any fact.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
6. Since I believe in and practice freedom of religion, along with
Tue Dec 11, 2018, 09:29 PM
Dec 2018

the vast majority of Americans, humans don't mainly act the same way.

MineralMan

(148,028 posts)
2. I don't think anyone here supports the Chinese approach
Tue Dec 11, 2018, 03:12 PM
Dec 2018

to religious worship. We're all opposed to restrictions on religious practice here. No doubt someone will say that nobody is commenting on this thread and that means we approve of what the Chinese government did. That is not the case. None of us has anything to do with what the Chinese government does, nor would our protest matter to that government.

Failure to comment does not mean approval. This is SOP for China.

Voltaire2

(14,890 posts)
12. Actually most of us here support restrictions
Thu Dec 13, 2018, 04:59 AM
Dec 2018

on religious practice. We just find ways of pretending that the practices aren’t religious.

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