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moniss

(6,150 posts)
Mon Jul 15, 2024, 09:40 AM Jul 2024

Seems like there are just a ton

of these sports "analysis/argument" programs and everybody and their brother seems to have a podcast these days. But so much is drivel. I miss the days in the '90's listening at night to Papa Joe Chevalier on his show and when ESPN had The Fabulous Sports Babe on radio. Even Chet Coppock wasn't too bad. The programs used to focus more on hearing from fans calling in on topics and they talked more about the nuts and bolts of actually playing the various sports and less about this constant chatter about contracts, money and armchair psychoanalysis about the personal lives of the athletes.

The worst to me is when they have on 3 or 4 people at the same time and everybody is shouting and yelling over each other all the time. Or on some of these podcasts these people think they're all supposed to be comedians. What a shambles sports media has become.

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Seems like there are just a ton (Original Post) moniss Jul 2024 OP
I miss the 70s listening to Pete Franklin on WWWE, Cleveland ... Auggie Jul 2024 #1
PTI for me True Dough Jul 2024 #2
PTI is awesome. Dr. Strange Jul 2024 #3
Agreed ProfessorGAC Jul 2024 #4
Coppock; Ambivalent ProfessorGAC Jul 2024 #5
Yes he could be hard to take moniss Jul 2024 #7
Yeah, the glory days seem to be over. LisaM Jul 2024 #6
I used to love listening to guys moniss Jul 2024 #8
The name Molly Bolin is familiar. LisaM Jul 2024 #9
Yes Nanci Donnellan moniss Jul 2024 #10

Auggie

(31,905 posts)
1. I miss the 70s listening to Pete Franklin on WWWE, Cleveland ...
Mon Jul 15, 2024, 10:54 AM
Jul 2024

Pete Franklin is widely acknowledged as pioneering the more aggressive, acerbic and attention-grabbing form of sports talk. He reached his greatest fame in Cleveland from 1972 through 1987.

Franklin had a brief stint in New York City but couldn't generate the same buzz as he had in Cleveland. He landed in the S.F. Bay Area on KNBR in the 90s, much to my delight.

I lot of what I know about sports came from Franklin. He was magnificent.

ProfessorGAC

(70,599 posts)
5. Coppock; Ambivalent
Tue Jul 16, 2024, 03:56 PM
Jul 2024

While you're right about his focus on callers his interminably long questions annoyed me so much!
I think that now about Mike Mulligan on WSCR 670.
I did like Coppock's TV show with Doug Collins but I still remember screaming inside "Finish the question & let Doug talk!"
He's a legend in Chicago radio, so clearly not everyone felt like I did.

moniss

(6,150 posts)
7. Yes he could be hard to take
Tue Jul 16, 2024, 09:25 PM
Jul 2024

when he would ramble one question into another and another and then never get around to finishing. I sort of got to the point where I considered it as him throwing out "bait" so to speak to give a range of ways to go. But like you after awhile as a listener I wanted him to pick one and let someone fully answer.

LisaM

(28,747 posts)
6. Yeah, the glory days seem to be over.
Tue Jul 16, 2024, 07:09 PM
Jul 2024

Two words come to mind: podcasts and metrics.

I really don't like podcasts. They strip all the spontaneity out of a broadcast. Who doesn't want to hear a good gaffe now and them?

moniss

(6,150 posts)
8. I used to love listening to guys
Tue Jul 16, 2024, 11:03 PM
Jul 2024

and male sports media people call in to the "Fabulous Sports Babe" show and Nanci would corner them into making mistakes and she would correct them. I used to love hearing her talk hockey and the Hartford Whalers. Her book "The Babe in Boyland" that she did in the mid '90's is really good and she lays truth out there about a lot of what goes on in sports, teams and sports media. She treated her callers with respect, she talked about things the fans cared about and she wasn't going to grovel to ESPN or anybody else.

The type of show she had using the call in/fan based format that is informative is rare now. Like I said we now predominantly have the multi-person, think they are comedians, think they know everything, condescending, screaming over each other etc. Meanwhile as listeners we come away having spent time but learned nothing. They all want to be the next "big thing" and so they say outrageous things about the athletes etc. in order to get the clicks/views so they can pat themselves on the back.

A good example is the current media treatment of Caitlin Clark. I'm a huge fan of women's basketball for many years. But not one of these supposed "sports experts" or "basketball experts" that interview her ever ask a question like "were there things you did while playing in high school and college to get better and better using either hand?, were there adjustments you made to your shooting motion along the way?, did you always shoot/practice from distance or did it come in stages? etc." They have this great player in front of them and instead of asking her basketball questions about how she worked on her game, her skills and how it has all developed they ask her repetitive questions like "what did you do to get things going in the 4th quarter, get your shot, play defense etc." game after game. So as fans we come away not knowing much and she is not the kind of person who is going to put this out there herself. She is about playing ball and winning.

How Caitlin got to this level is interesting to me. I remember Jackie Stiles in college talking about how she used to practice beyond team practice for 4 hours every day. Most of these current media people who claim to be fans of women's basketball can't even describe the way the women's game used to be restricted to a half court/limited dribble game versus playing full court. I began following women's basketball back in the '50's when it was AAU teams sponsored by various companies. My pet peeve about this media now is they want to put up Lisa Leslie and Sheryl Swoopes etc. are the "founders" of women's professional basketball. Pure BS. There were a couple of different leagues before them that lasted for as much as 3 years that were before the current W.

An interesting pioneer in women's professional basketball is Molly Bolin. She was also from Iowa and a great player. Molly's number 22 is a coincidence to Caitlin but it is pretty neat anyway. Molly wore other numbers as well. Molly and women like her used to pack into cars, buses etc. to get to games and do it all for next to no money. Molly's rookie contract in the late '70's was $6,000. This lady was extraordinary for the things she did on and off the court. But you won't hear the media mention her name. Here's a link to info about her and also a picture of Molly Bolin. Yes that is Larry Bird and Molly promoting one of the women's leagues.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molly_Bolin

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LisaM

(28,747 posts)
9. The name Molly Bolin is familiar.
Tue Jul 16, 2024, 11:37 PM
Jul 2024

I remember the Fabulous Sports Babe, I used to listen to her in Seattle. The station she was on (KJR) didn't treat her very well and said terrible things about her after she left. But for a while, she was a novelty and very well liked. I liked listening to her talk hockey with Linda Cohn. That was long before Seattle had.a hockey team and hockey coverage was rare to come by, I had to find a Canadian station.

moniss

(6,150 posts)
10. Yes Nanci Donnellan
Tue Jul 16, 2024, 11:53 PM
Jul 2024

is down in Florida for the last many years and has had big time health challenges. Did some things here and there as she wanted to or could. I think she was one of the "free spirits" that come along to us in life who can take or leave various parts of money/fame/career as it suits them and do things "their way" rather than grovel and bow down for money/fame etc. Good for her. Here's a pic of Nanci from the WKJR days and then also from a few years ago in Florida. Hall of Fame broadcaster.





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