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LWolf

(46,179 posts)
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 05:13 PM Mar 2012

Anyone have new ideas for an old, intractable problem?

It's okay if you don't. I don't really think there is a workable answer at this point, but I thought I'd throw it out there, since spring is springing.

The background:

I have 6 acres of dirt, rocks, and weeds. There are others, but the worst of the weeds are cheat grass, mustard weed, and the horrific perennial pepper weed, which spreads on runners underground and crops up wherever anything is watered. Like my little orchard.

When I say rocks, I mean ROCK. This is a volcanic area. I have more rock than soil. They sprout out of the ground everywhere through a very thin layer of soil; new rocks seem to "grow" out of the ground every year. Even with a small back hoe or an auger, I can't get more than about 18 inches down without hitting rock too solid to break through.

That means that weed control is a disaster. I can't hand weed 6 acres. Mowers break on the rocks. I can't afford bigger equipment, to buy or rent. At this point, with a pay cut every year for the last 5, I'm barely able to make the mortgage. Weedeaters...again, 6 acres. Both of mine are currently broken, with no funds to replace or repair. Besides, weedeating in the rocks is hazardous and painful.

I have some supposedly organic stuff: "Burn Out." Industrial strength vinegar concoction. I've never used it, because it requires a certain temperature, and by the time it gets that warm here the weeds are already waist high. I have refused to use Monsanto products and other non-organic herbicides; I have animals.

I've tried sheep. They ignore the weeds and eat the bushes and trees.

The place is greening up. Right now, everything is about 1/4 of an inch tall. All 6 acres worth.

Suggestions that don't involve $$$ I don't have for tractors, etc.?

One year a local suggested burning; he came out, tried to burn off the weeds in a pasture, and set the local blm on fire on the other side of my fence. And left me to stay up all night with 200 ft long hoses, trying to put the fire out before the fire department found out and charged me. It was burning underground around the deep litter underneath a few trees.


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Anyone have new ideas for an old, intractable problem? (Original Post) LWolf Mar 2012 OP
sheep was going to be my suggestion Kali Mar 2012 #1
I still have one ewe left. LWolf Mar 2012 #3
pigs handmade34 Mar 2012 #2
Do they eat weeds? LWolf Mar 2012 #4
well... handmade34 Mar 2012 #5
What about goats? TNDemo Apr 2012 #6
goats are natural browsers handmade34 Apr 2012 #7
My place was a goat ranch before I bought it. LWolf Apr 2012 #8
I'm not sure TNDemo Apr 2012 #9
Please do, and thanks! nt LWolf Apr 2012 #10
She never answered my email TNDemo Apr 2012 #11

Kali

(55,876 posts)
1. sheep was going to be my suggestion
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 05:20 PM
Mar 2012

but you said that didn't work - is the orchard fenced? seems like sheep would be ok under trees - they aren't as bad of browsers as goats.

what exactly is the problem with the weeds? (out here we pretty much take any ground cover we can get and cows will eat mustard and young cheatgrass no problem, pepperweed not so much but it doesn't show up every year) can you rent a heavy duty mower once or twice a year?

another possibility would be portable grazing pens for chickens or rabbits or guinea pigs

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
3. I still have one ewe left.
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 05:50 PM
Mar 2012

My fruit trees are dwarves; she ignores the pepper weed and strips the trees, so I don't let her in anymore. She likes roses, lilacs, and various other deliberately planted things, as well. She will eat a little cheat, but not much. She ignores the mustard and pepperweed.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
4. Do they eat weeds?
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 05:51 PM
Mar 2012

Or just turn up the soil and rocks?

I wonder what they'd do when there is more rock than soil to root in?

handmade34

(22,945 posts)
5. well...
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 06:36 PM
Mar 2012

yes, they eat weeds! They have incredibly strong snout muscles and will root up many smaller rocks and will loosen the soil around larger ones... I used to use pigs specifically to clear land.... must have good elecric fence though, to keep them in... but they are real sweethearts

I used to sleep with my sows during farrowing time, so I could protect the tiny babies from their big floppy mums

handmade34

(22,945 posts)
7. goats are natural browsers
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 10:33 PM
Apr 2012

they are best for clearing shrubs... not so good for weeds in sod

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
8. My place was a goat ranch before I bought it.
Wed Apr 18, 2012, 07:39 AM
Apr 2012

That's why so many of the trees have no bark goat-level down, lol. If goats would eat the most persistent problems, I'd get a couple. Do they eat mustard weed, or perennial pepper weed?

TNDemo

(3,452 posts)
9. I'm not sure
Wed Apr 18, 2012, 08:09 AM
Apr 2012

But I know someone who has a goat farm and I can ask them if you want.

TNDemo

(3,452 posts)
11. She never answered my email
Fri Apr 20, 2012, 09:32 PM
Apr 2012

but I found this site: http://fiascofarm.com/goats/poisonousplants.htm It says mustard weed is edible. They can also eat peppers and pepper plants but as far as pepperweed, I'm not sure. It is not listed in either list under pepperweed or its botanical name. So at least we know it can eat mustard weed.

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