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Docreed2003

(17,880 posts)
Sun Nov 12, 2023, 01:23 PM Nov 2023

VFW, American Legion, both or neither?

Curious if any of you are members of the VFW or AL. I'm eligible for both organizations and, as I get a bit older, I think it might be nice to be in a group of veterans and contribute to veterans issues. That being said, I'm not interested in hanging with a bunch of MAGAts either. Any thoughts?

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VFW, American Legion, both or neither? (Original Post) Docreed2003 Nov 2023 OP
My dad preferred the VFW dflprincess Nov 2023 #1
as a Vietnam vet llashram Dec 2023 #19
Good question. I have a feeling both organizations have a stong contingent of magats. brush Nov 2023 #2
Neither for me bluescribbler Nov 2023 #3
Yeah, reading the reasons behind the AL founding is unsettling, to say the least Docreed2003 Nov 2023 #5
Make sure you choose the one that is open-minded ggma Nov 2023 #4
American Legion, here. Been a member for 7 years. 70sEraVet Nov 2023 #6
Where do you live? Docreed2003 Nov 2023 #7
Neither Abnredleg Nov 2023 #8
LoL denbot Jan 2024 #21
I'm in American Legion, not eligible for VFW. JustABozoOnThisBus Nov 2023 #9
I'm a member of both. Basic LA Nov 2023 #10
VFW here. keithbvadu2 Nov 2023 #11
I got mail asking me to join the AL. I sent them money doc03 Nov 2023 #12
My experience.. beemerphill Nov 2023 #13
Neither. GP6971 Nov 2023 #14
VFW, AL, both or neither? OldSWODog Nov 2023 #15
The difference between Posts of both those orginizations is more than the differences between the two The Polack MSgt Nov 2023 #16
Thanks for your insight bud! Docreed2003 Nov 2023 #17
The Legion is total MAGA Mysterian Nov 2023 #18
Your mileage may vary, but check out your local post. denbot Jan 2024 #20

dflprincess

(28,526 posts)
1. My dad preferred the VFW
Sun Nov 12, 2023, 01:31 PM
Nov 2023

He came back from WWII something of a pacifist and he found more like minded combat vets at the VFW. He felt there were too many hawks at the Legion who had never seen a day of combat.

Though that was a long time ago.

llashram

(6,269 posts)
19. as a Vietnam vet
Sun Dec 17, 2023, 01:07 PM
Dec 2023

VFW hand down. In the early 80's visited AL. There are too many rabid racist, bigoted members. After observing and listening for a time, I never went back.

brush

(58,022 posts)
2. Good question. I have a feeling both organizations have a stong contingent of magats.
Sun Nov 12, 2023, 01:35 PM
Nov 2023

VoteVets may suit you better.

bluescribbler

(2,266 posts)
3. Neither for me
Sun Nov 12, 2023, 01:37 PM
Nov 2023

I did join VVAW years ago. That said, I do prefer VFW. Eligibility requirements are stricter, you have to be an actual veteran to join, not so the Legion. In addition, the Legion was formed as a paramilitary organization for the purpose of strikebreaking and protecting the very rich. I know that they're no longer that type of outfit, but still....

Docreed2003

(17,880 posts)
5. Yeah, reading the reasons behind the AL founding is unsettling, to say the least
Sun Nov 12, 2023, 01:46 PM
Nov 2023

I'm a member of IAVA but that's a largely online organization. I just wanted a way to connect with folks who have a similar experience, without the rw bs

ggma

(711 posts)
4. Make sure you choose the one that is open-minded
Sun Nov 12, 2023, 01:43 PM
Nov 2023

The American Legion post here faded away because there was an attitude that younger members didn't have anything of value to add to the organization because they didn't have enough "life experience". It became a " club for old dudes ".

I tried to join and was directed to the Women's Auxiliary. Felt totally insulted.

Personal experience, of course. Years ago, so there wasn't a MAGA component; just old dudes being old dudes. Guess I'm saying to make sure they're inclusive.

gg

70sEraVet

(4,235 posts)
6. American Legion, here. Been a member for 7 years.
Sun Nov 12, 2023, 01:47 PM
Nov 2023

I live in a small town in rural Tennessee, so, of course, mostly Republican.
But the rule is, no politics at the post, and we dont serve alcohol, so we all get along well.
It's a good organization, we help local veterans, and I've made some really good friends. I serve in our Honor Guard, providing military honors for those veterans who have passed. I'm proud to do that.

Docreed2003

(17,880 posts)
7. Where do you live?
Sun Nov 12, 2023, 01:50 PM
Nov 2023

Feel free to DM me if you're not comfortable advertising it to the world. Thank you for sharing your perspective

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,825 posts)
9. I'm in American Legion, not eligible for VFW.
Sun Nov 12, 2023, 02:20 PM
Nov 2023

I think they both do some good work for vets, and I contribute to both. But I don't attend AL meetings, I'm just not a meeting/party person. Plus, yes, I'd guess most of the folks at the meetings would vote R. Maybe some day I'll attend a meet, just to see.

 

Basic LA

(2,047 posts)
10. I'm a member of both.
Sun Nov 12, 2023, 02:45 PM
Nov 2023

But my only interaction anymore is getting the monthly magazines. I like all magazines but for the Legion & VFW mags it does get depressing to keep seeing the same smiling face of Ronald Reagan on page after page each month in both adds and stories. These are basically Reagan fanzines and reinforce the old misperception that to be Patriotic one must be Republican. (Yet I keep subscribing! )

keithbvadu2

(40,500 posts)
11. VFW here.
Sun Nov 12, 2023, 03:11 PM
Nov 2023

Many chapters of both are disbanding or joining forces to use the same building as older vets are dying off.

Many VN vets were looked down upon by the 'old dudes' and got a bitter taste of it.

That shrunk their future membership of both organizations.

doc03

(36,957 posts)
12. I got mail asking me to join the AL. I sent them money
Sun Nov 12, 2023, 04:38 PM
Nov 2023

and I get mail saying I should join a local chapter. I called the local commander they
suggested, he asked me who my sponsor was. I said I am a veteran why do I need a sponsor while
you have social members and Sons of the AL. He said we can't just take anyone you could be
a criminal basically. I asked another member and was told they just want to be sure you are not black
or other things they don't approve of. So I say fuck the AL.

beemerphill

(524 posts)
13. My experience..
Sun Nov 12, 2023, 04:39 PM
Nov 2023

When I came back from Nam I considered joining the Legion. That was going strong in my area at the time. The "old timers" didn't want any of us "drugged-up hippies". I have never considered the Legion again. I belong to the VVA-Vietnam Vets of America, the VFW, and the DAV. I don't attend meetings and I don't participate in many activities. I did join a local Vietnam Vet group that we formed and spent a lot of time with them, but they are getting old and the group is getting pretty small. Out of all of them, if you qualify, the DAV is probably the best. If you aren't combat-wounded, the VFW is a fine organization. Check around and go to a few Posts before you join. Some are great, and some are merely bars with a small group of drinkers who happen to be Vets. Pick a good one and give it a try.

OldSWODog

(74 posts)
15. VFW, AL, both or neither?
Mon Nov 13, 2023, 11:23 PM
Nov 2023

Good evening, all. I was a member of both until 2000; my local posts strongly supported Bush (as, it seemed, the national magazines) and that was the end for me. I stayed with DAV because of the mission and joined V4P as an at large member but don't engage in local chapter events (they can be rather absolutist). I do follow, with interest, Vote Vets during "traditional" campaign season. At this time of my life, I spend all of my non-household time doing volunteer stuff in my community while able. In answer to the original question: for me, neither of them; I won't try to answer for others. Cheers.

The Polack MSgt

(13,455 posts)
16. The difference between Posts of both those orginizations is more than the differences between the two
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 11:14 AM
Nov 2023

My VFW post is probably 2/3 African American, and most MAGA vets belong to the post 15 miles away. There are Republicans in our post, but out and out Trumpsters can't abide.

There are also Vets who are Democrats at our post that were motivated to join there to avoid drunk MAGATs up in their ears at every Friday Fish Fry.

Visit local Posts from the VFW, American Legion, AMVETS or really any veteren orginization. See what community projects they're active in. Sample the atmosphere, listen to the regulars - What they say and how they say it. Then decide baseed on that.

I do believe that these national orginizations are important voices advocating for Vet issues in Congress, but local comunity participation is important too and that means working with those regulars.

Choose the ones that piss you off least

Docreed2003

(17,880 posts)
17. Thanks for your insight bud!
Sat Nov 18, 2023, 09:16 AM
Nov 2023

I've got a feeling that the VFW posts in Nashville may end up being a more tolerable environment from a political perspective, as opposed to out here in the burbs. I'll probably start there with a visit. They seem to have pretty regular weekly events

denbot

(9,914 posts)
20. Your mileage may vary, but check out your local post.
Sun Jan 14, 2024, 07:59 AM
Jan 2024

Very recently I checked out the VFW Post nearest to me. I can admit to being a little fucked off lately, but was nearly shocked to find I may be the one who needs to chill out if I want to fit in. There are MAGA’s there, but politics and religion are banned at any hint of disruptive behavior.

It’s not my grandfather’s or dad’s era of VFW anymore. Good luck with your search, the local post (waiting on a copy of my DD-214) has music a couple nights a week, we chip in, there’s a guy who’s volunteered to cook for the last 15-20 years, all the bartenders are also volunteers who do it out of a sense patriotism.

The overriding theme seems to provide a place to chill, and relax. I may need to work on calmness but no matter what, if it’s a good post and you’re a veteran you have a place. If not, fuck’em, and find a post that cares about veterans, over politics.

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