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Don't worry, the gun is safe, and she'll be reunited with it as soon as she recovers. And remember, her rights to own a gun, and not use it safely, supersedes your right to not get shot.
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ileus
(15,396 posts)
whereisjustice
(2,941 posts)Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Congratulations on voluntarily excluding yourself from any serious, adult discussion on the subject. Nicely done...
whereisjustice
(2,941 posts)While you art clutching your pearls the conservatives in the Democratic Party are hoping you calmly discuss the merits of giving guns to kids. They'll use every emotion trick in the book. Every wild eyed paranoia view of guns as necessary for everyone to carry at all times does not deserve to be dressed up as if trying to hide an addiction.
So here you are scolding me as if somehow there is a high road to take in the endless cycle of violence and racism and destructive authoritarian nationalism behind gun culture.
So yeah, gun fuckers and fuck the false civility and false intellectualism that legitimizes them. It is this sort of bullshit that has come to substitute for a spine in the democratic party.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)But really, you needn't have bothered. I already knew what I was dealing with. I have zero interest in wasting my time attempting rational discourse with someone who explicitly rejects it. Thanks for the heads-up on the next addition to my Ignore list, though.
whereisjustice
(2,941 posts)You sound like an NRA lobbyist.
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)...within the rules of DU, of course. It's not as if we haven't seen the 'scornfully self-righteous'
schtick before.
Thing is, those that act in such a manner tend to get frustrated when others fail to
respond to their entirely-self perceived brilliance in the manner in which they
believe is their due.
We will be ready and willing to discuss what you wish to bring up- when and if
you figure out that casually hurled insulst don't actually persuade anyone...
whereisjustice
(2,941 posts)It's far too polite.
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)You do realize, don't you, that all you've accomplished so far is wear and tear on
whatever it is that you post with? But that's okay. That pointless anger, frustration,
and slacktivism serve to divert you from actually doing something effective in the real
world of politics...
whereisjustice
(2,941 posts)No still too nice.
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)...of gun control advocates. Better to spew bile and believe you've done something
than to go to meetings or spend some actual cash money to support what you
purportedly want.
Marengo
(3,477 posts)DashOneBravo
(2,679 posts)And never allowed around firearms again.
Do "gun fuckers" (your term) include those responsible for the 2,987 people shot last year in Chicago?
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)
MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)noamnety
(20,234 posts)by losing control of her vehicle.
lostnfound
(16,767 posts)Or that the kid didn't shoot out the window at a passerby.
I hope she recovers fully, and learns from this terrible experience.
Thank god the kid is okay. Just luck.
SoCalMusicLover
(3,194 posts)They were supposedly transporting a horse. It could have been shot, or been killed had she crashed.
I hate to say the truth, but after what she posted about her right to protect her family with a gun, trumping your right to oppose it.....BLAH, BLAH, BLAH......if her kid would have shot himself, it would have been a real sign from god that her priorities are a bit fucked up.
MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)more guns not lead to more accidents and deaths?
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)without a corresponding rise in firearms deaths due to negligence..........................
MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)not a death but a shooting injury.
beardown
(363 posts)"How will more guns not lead to more accidents and deaths? "
Like putting a bumper sticker on your car calling for a ban on bumper stickers.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Individual outbursts of abject stupidity like this woman aside, despite the enormous proliferation of firearms, accidental injuries are actually remarkably rare, given the c. 80 million (likely a low estimate) civilian firearm owners in the US.
flamin lib
(14,559 posts)beardown
(363 posts)Another everybody else in the parade was out of step, but me crowd.
I begin to see a base reason for the general failure of the gun confiscation crowd. Way too much unwarranted self back slapping.
Marengo
(3,477 posts)friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)Marengo
(3,477 posts)I seem to recall it stated on DU somewhere that owning more than one or two is an indicator of mental illness.
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)From a still-useful thread. The whole thing is worth a read, as it discusses some very familiar
ploys
How to recognize the tactics used by anti gun activists in their plan to ban guns
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x361725#367600
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60. How about..
Not sure if this one counts as a separate one, but the..
MGAFYGAE -- "MY guns are fine, YOUR guns are evil."
Black powder guns, revolvers, traditionally stocked shotguns, deer rifles, even 1911's- "But I {or Dad, or Granddad, or Uncle Duke} had / have one of those, so they're perfectly fine. The rest of your guns? Ban 'em."
friendly_iconoclast
Response to Reply #60
61. That's a good one. A variant is the "Uncle Ruckus"
Claiming to be a gun owner and/or very familiar with guns, and yet continually putting down other gun owners
jeepnstein
66. They're called "Fudds".
While I personally have nothing against Elmer Fudd and his War on Rabbits, his human counterparts are obnoxious at times.
They'll wax poetic about how this or that firearm is beyond reproach or ban because it has some sporting use. They constantly want to make the 2nd Amendment about hunting. Most of them will own a pistol or two but it's usually some kind of marginally useful thing that they've buggered to death after reading too many gun magazines.
When I was a brand-new Deputy Sheriff I had to buy a new duty weapon. My choice was, and still is, a Colt Officer's .45 ACP. Before I picked it up from my dealer I had them do a thorough inspection and adjustment. Their gun smith was a Colt armorer and he made the trigger absolute Series 80 perfection. So I stroll in to pick it up and there's a couple of Fudds standing around drinking cofee, wearing flannel shirts and hunting coats. One of them started on me about how I needed this or that special modification or doodad before the thing would really ever amount to anything. The owner of the shop jumped in and stated clearly that what I was buying wasn't a toy like they were accustomed to seeing, that it was a serious tool for serious business and his gun smith had it ready for me to be willing to bet my life on it. They didn't have a clue what he was talking about.
We get Fudds on this board every once in a while spouting off all sorts of downright dangerous information and cite their experience as a hunter as their authority. Every once in a while a politician will get a hold of a Fudd and have him go around talking like some sort of expert.
The entire thread can be found at:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x361725#361725
The disinterested reader will quickly notice that there is little new under the
gun control sun...
MyOwnPeace
(17,283 posts)If SHE would have had a gun she would have been safe...............
ManiacJoe
(10,136 posts)If her gun had been in the holster on her, she would not have been shot by the kid.
By the way, nice strawman post.
MyOwnPeace
(17,283 posts)I'll assume you meant that as a compliment.
"In its simplest definition, straw man is the name of a logical fallacy, which means that if you carefully dissect the argument or statement, it doesn't make sense."
sarisataka
(21,340 posts)
muntrv
(14,505 posts)NCjack
(10,297 posts)
NBachers
(18,223 posts)
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)Florida's safe storage law, or safe control law.
NBachers
(18,223 posts)