the existing supply of guns both owned and unsold, it would be a very small drop in a huge bucket of weapons.

I don't think anyone expects a rapid transition to the wide use of smart guns, but once they have proven to be reliable in practice the transition will accelerate.

I'll buy one.

I like guns. I have zero ethical problems with robbers, rapists and carjackers being ventilated sans trial. I don't understand a dislike of guns whatsoever.

But I HATE the idea of any of mine every being misused.

I keep mine entirely secured, but then that eliminates the possibility of using them for immediate self defense. This would be a win/win.

and let smart guns find their natural place in the market. I am sure there is some demand, especially as the technology matures.

They have to be proven with thousands or rounds fired!!!!!

They have. More than 250,000 rounds through the Armatix iP1 and it exceeded the industry standard for reliability by twice.

The Mossberg smartgun has passed Mil Spec testing.

Now I'm told that they have be tested with tens of thousands or rounds in certified shooting competitions over a decade or so AND be adopted by a WIDE RANGE OF POLICE FORCES before they can enter the sales market.

Yet these stupid guns are available for purchase over the counter with NO testing.

dumb guns don't go through ANY testing before being offered to the buyer. Yet smart guns that have been tested and proven are poo pooed as unreliable.

Face it, gunners are a bunch of Luddites.

seriously??

You claim to know about guns, are a dealer but are unaware of Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers Institute or Commission Internationale Permanente pour l'Epreuve des Armes à Feu Portatives?

How many firearms are sold that do not have proof marks from one of these agencies?

...as see:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172188417#post6

http://www.democraticunderground.com/126210388

Somebody's got some 'splainin to do...

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And firing pins never degrade

It's ok, though- it's for the 'good of society'

Just ask them and they'll be happy tell you how much better than us they are.

They do it all the time.

Now, have police who have sweaty fingers, dirty fingers or a dead battery to institute the smart gun features, and have them, en masse, endorse such technology, and use it first, and I might, might, MIGHT, consider it for my guns, at some point 100 years in the future.

...tend to improve over time. My first cell phone was the size of a brick plus the antenna and had about 8-10 hrs of standby charge. Computers get faster. I can bank online.

Time will tell with high tech guns but the probability is that these will be available soon. I only hope they're more like Ubuntu 14 than Windows Vista.

...do not necessarily improve.

If they did, I would not still be carrying my .38 service revolver from when I went 'on the job' in 1986.

I was trained in all sorts of modern (and not so modern) weaponry in my military and LE career.

Now that I am well into retirement, I look back at all those years, going to the range, out-shooting younger cops, soldiers and civilians with my old wheel gun.

At first, they look at me like I just un-holstered George Washington's personal flintlock pistol.

By the end of the day at the range, I am reminded of the saying: 'a good man with a revolver will make you wonder why you don't carry one yourself.'

No...that doesn't happen.

USMC Rule #11: Use a gun that works EVERY TIME. "All skill is in vain when an Angel pisses in the flintlock of your musket."
http://www.snipercountry.com/articles/gunfightrules.asp

I own five Smith and Wesson revolvers, manufactured from the 1980s thru just before the Infernal Locking Mechanism became a standard feature.

I had to do minor gunsmithing on three of them right out of the box.

Mostly due to minor quality issues typical of S&W the late '70s thru '80s.

After that, they worked great and I am very proud to own them (and to be passing them on to the next generation)

I have also sent three of the five out to Robar for the black shiny coating.

Problems I've had on the range:

- One 'case under extractor' - actually it was my son who had this problem on my old service revolver - he hit the ejector rod too hard and the ejector jumped over the rim of one round.(solved with a little training and care)

- One time my snub 357 locked closed due to a loose ejector rod after several boxes of hot loads (solved with lock-tite)

- Two FTFs with cheap ammo. Both times I just dry fired until the bad round came up and each went off on the second try.

Mind you this if over a span of over 30 years.