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CommonSensePLZ

(609 posts) Mon Apr 16, 2012, 01:04 PM Apr 2012

The Bluffdale NSA spy center

Can we get a lawsuit, please, before this gets going? If wiretapping was unconstitutional than this goes way, way beyond that. Sounds like the envy of the KGB.

http://www.newtondailynews.com/2012/04/11/no-hiding-from-national-security-agency/aar9lpw/

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The Bluffdale NSA spy center (Original Post) CommonSensePLZ Apr 2012 OP

Bush issued a Presidential Directive six months before 9/11, and it's still rolling a decade later. leveymg Apr 2012 #1

the answer CommonSensePLZ Apr 2012 #2

Apathy is the last thing I'm advocating. But, people need to know how deeply entrenched these leveymg Apr 2012 #3

Corruption indeed CommonSensePLZ Apr 2012 #4

The PTB run both parties, and are afraid of rebellion. leveymg Apr 2012 #5

leveymg

(36,418 posts)

1. Bush issued a Presidential Directive six months before 9/11, and it's still rolling a decade later.

Reply to CommonSensePLZ (Original post)

Mon Apr 16, 2012, 01:12 PM

Apr 2012

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Unlimited domestic interception, storage and datamining of US person communications and records has been a fact of life, even though it was still technically illegal until the 2008 FISA Amendment - the one that then Senator Obama voted for.

CommonSensePLZ

(609 posts)

2. the answer

Reply to leveymg (Reply #1)

Tue Apr 17, 2012, 01:14 PM

Apr 2012

is not apathy, leveymg

leveymg

(36,418 posts)

3. Apathy is the last thing I'm advocating. But, people need to know how deeply entrenched these

Reply to CommonSensePLZ (Reply #2)

Tue Apr 17, 2012, 03:59 PM

Apr 2012

warrantless domestic spying practices actually are. We won't get the 4th Amendment back by pretending that these abuses don't have a long history, that somehow all this started suddenly on 9/11, or is entirely a response to terrorism, because it isn't. Look at what happened to former NY AG Eliot Spitzer, for instance.

CommonSensePLZ

(609 posts)

4. Corruption indeed

Reply to leveymg (Reply #3)

Wed Apr 18, 2012, 12:24 PM

Apr 2012

Not that knowing that the American government is corrupt is news. However, they're now building a gigantic monument to their own evil, nosey ways. Billions of dollars that could've gone into something more positive. Not even, apparently, to be used to spy on possibly inimical other governments. Primarily to be used on common, poor American folk and to say all of it is aimed only at finding terrorists is as absurd as an abstract painting.

The admins at DU don't want to know it but this, the fact that it's Bush and Obama and the fact that it seems no democrats have so much as objected to this goes to show that there's something going on beyond Republicans vs. Democrats and the dems are just as lowdown. I don't intend to get my thread locked, but, really, why are no dems objecting to this unless they approve of it. What affairs associated contemporarily with the democratic party or the freedoms of the Constitution or the Declaration of Human Rights that this country signed and even drafted does such a site as Bluffdale serve aside from moving us toward a police state or some other peculiar future?

leveymg

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5. The PTB run both parties, and are afraid of rebellion.

Reply to CommonSensePLZ (Reply #4)

Thu Apr 19, 2012, 07:37 AM

Apr 2012

That is the reason there is no objection to be heard from anyone (except for a few isolated, vilified dissenters, e.g., Kucinich) to the modern American police state.

Mass surveillance also a huge economic elite in and for itself, that's really accountable to no one but itself, like the Global banks or Big Oil.

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