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TDale313

(7,822 posts)
Sun Nov 7, 2021, 11:28 PM Nov 2021

So, yeah... I've started trying to learn some Japanese

Incredibly new to it… only about a week into actually studying, still learning the basic sounds/characters/Hiragana. Some beginning words and phrases so far. I’m not at all sure how this will go… never really tried to learn a language that wasn’t a Romance language, but enjoying trying so far. Not even all that sure what got my on this, other than I do consume a lot of Japanese media (films, Anime, games) and became kind of intrigued with the idea of being able to enjoy some of it without the filter of translation (either Sub or Dub)

So yeah… wish me luck… and if anyone has any advice I’ll take it 🙂

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So, yeah... I've started trying to learn some Japanese (Original Post) TDale313 Nov 2021 OP
Good Luck to you, my dear TDale313! CaliforniaPeggy Nov 2021 #1
Thank you 😊 n/t TDale313 Nov 2021 #2
Very best of luck!!! GeoWilliam750 Nov 2021 #3
I first studied Japanese some 40 years ago and found it not at all difficult.. HUAJIAO Nov 2021 #4
Japanese romanized vowels are exactly like Spanish vowels EastMeetsWest Jan 2022 #15
yes, agreed. HUAJIAO Jan 2022 #18
Japanese is fortunately not tonal EastMeetsWest Jan 2022 #20
I never learned more than maybe 300 - 400 kanji HUAJIAO Jan 2022 #21
I actually was quite versed in the Kyoto dialect 京都弁 at one time EastMeetsWest Jan 2022 #22
I learned Japanese in the 1980s and although I have been back several times in the last few years, HUAJIAO Jan 2022 #23
Well, that happens to all of us EastMeetsWest Jan 2022 #24
Some more Kansaiben EastMeetsWest Jan 2022 #25
I'm really interesed in hearing more from you EastMeetsWest Jan 2022 #26
Well, I know some dynamite restaurants in Kyoto that are NOT on the tourist lists, HUAJIAO Jan 2022 #29
It's been a while since I've been to Kyoto EastMeetsWest Jan 2022 #30
I have never had okonomiyaki in Osaka so I couldn't say. HUAJIAO Jan 2022 #33
These days, it seems like there are basically two okonomiyaki "styles", EastMeetsWest Jan 2022 #37
The only one I remember right now is Ookini. HUAJIAO Jan 2022 #28
That's a good word to know in Kyoto! EastMeetsWest Jan 2022 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author HUAJIAO Jan 2022 #19
Any facility you have/had with the Romance languages will be of no... 3catwoman3 Nov 2021 #5
Arubaito (アルバイト) means "part-time/temporary job" EastMeetsWest Jan 2022 #16
There are actually a lot of English loan words in Japanese EastMeetsWest Jan 2022 #32
I remember one of the teachers in the 3 classes... 3catwoman3 Jan 2022 #34
Japanese has changed a lot EastMeetsWest Jan 2022 #35
Domo arigato multigraincracker Nov 2021 #6
🙂 TDale313 Nov 2021 #7
Was that Styx song, EastMeetsWest Jan 2022 #27
It's too bad our savantic ability to naturally acquire languages pretty much dries up at puberty. PSPS Nov 2021 #8
Truth. TDale313 Nov 2021 #10
I started studying Japanese at 22 EastMeetsWest Jan 2022 #36
Sugoi! Kablooie Nov 2021 #9
I never learned it despite working at some Japanese... Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2021 #11
My college roommate mastered it. He somehow got a job Tomconroy Nov 2021 #12
I've got a friend from a tiny Midwest town who became a Japanese interpreter. Midnight Writer Nov 2021 #13
I'd like to retire, EastMeetsWest Jan 2022 #17
I just met with my co-workers today EastMeetsWest Jan 2022 #38
Check Out This Japanese Language Book At This Link..... global1 Nov 2021 #14

HUAJIAO

(2,674 posts)
4. I first studied Japanese some 40 years ago and found it not at all difficult..
Mon Nov 8, 2021, 12:06 AM
Nov 2021

The most difficult for me was vocabulary for different social situations, stratifications, etc.
Pronunciation is not hard.. vowels are basically the same as "romance" languages.

I still know enough to get around Japan in Japanese although i haven't been there since just pre-covid.
Have fun..

 

EastMeetsWest

(191 posts)
15. Japanese romanized vowels are exactly like Spanish vowels
Thu Jan 13, 2022, 08:46 AM
Jan 2022

but sometimes differ from vowels in other Romance languages

HUAJIAO

(2,674 posts)
18. yes, agreed.
Thu Jan 13, 2022, 09:30 AM
Jan 2022

I tried mandarin but never could pronounce well enough for people in Taiwan or China to understand me.. the tones did me in. :&gt )

But my Japanese was almost always understood by Japanese in Japan, even on the telephone.

 

EastMeetsWest

(191 posts)
20. Japanese is fortunately not tonal
Thu Jan 13, 2022, 09:39 AM
Jan 2022

Most of the time, if you mispronounce a Japanse word, Japanese people can still understand you. On those very rare occasions when I can't convey the meaning of a word, I'll explain how it is written in kanji漢字。

HUAJIAO

(2,674 posts)
21. I never learned more than maybe 300 - 400 kanji
Thu Jan 13, 2022, 10:48 AM
Jan 2022

Couldn't really easily read a newspaper if I wanted to, but certainly knew enough, and all hiragana and katakana so I could read most signs, packaging, menus, etc.
Most of my time in Japan has been in Kyoto. So I also learned some of that 'dialect.'

 

EastMeetsWest

(191 posts)
22. I actually was quite versed in the Kyoto dialect 京都弁 at one time
Thu Jan 13, 2022, 10:58 AM
Jan 2022

ども、おおきに-- Thank you

おもろいやんけ-- Well, isn't that interesting

めちゃめちゃ痛いがな! Ow! That hurts!

HUAJIAO

(2,674 posts)
23. I learned Japanese in the 1980s and although I have been back several times in the last few years,
Thu Jan 13, 2022, 11:02 AM
Jan 2022

Last edited Mon Jan 17, 2022, 05:37 PM - Edit history (1)

I have forgotten 95% of what I learned through lack of use....

 

EastMeetsWest

(191 posts)
24. Well, that happens to all of us
Mon Jan 17, 2022, 07:46 AM
Jan 2022

I tried learning various languages at one time, including Chinese, but it's difficult to continue if you don't have a motivation.

My motivation for learning Japanese at the time was a Japanese girlfriend, but later, i came to respect the Japanese culture and how they have managed to come from a society that worships their emperor as a god, to one which allows me, as a foreigner, to work in the country and travel around with no problems. I love this country, and I love the fact that it is now allied with my native country, the United States.

 

EastMeetsWest

(191 posts)
25. Some more Kansaiben
Mon Jan 17, 2022, 07:56 AM
Jan 2022

ほんまや!
You said it!

おいでやす
Come here

おられますか?
Is the person you requested (on the phone) there?

 

EastMeetsWest

(191 posts)
26. I'm really interesed in hearing more from you
Mon Jan 17, 2022, 08:11 AM
Jan 2022

My experience in Japan has been from 1983 to the present.

HUAJIAO

(2,674 posts)
29. Well, I know some dynamite restaurants in Kyoto that are NOT on the tourist lists,
Mon Jan 17, 2022, 08:30 AM
Jan 2022

and therefore cheaper, but always at least as good and usually better.. 2 of them actually have a Michelin star but the owners are very modest about it---

Sushi, soba, okonomiyaki, gyoza, etc, a tiny kappo place just across the river from Gion.

 

EastMeetsWest

(191 posts)
30. It's been a while since I've been to Kyoto
Mon Jan 17, 2022, 03:17 PM
Jan 2022

I wonder if that okonomiyaki is 大阪風 (Osaka style), or if Kyoto has its own style.

HUAJIAO

(2,674 posts)
33. I have never had okonomiyaki in Osaka so I couldn't say.
Mon Jan 17, 2022, 05:35 PM
Jan 2022

The place I know is just north of the Niji-dori bridge on Kawabata-dori-east side of the Kamogawa. Just a little dive.

 

EastMeetsWest

(191 posts)
37. These days, it seems like there are basically two okonomiyaki "styles",
Tue Jan 18, 2022, 06:38 AM
Jan 2022

at least here in the Kanto (Tokyo) region-- Osaka style (大阪風 and Hiroshima style (広島風 .

It's been so long since I've been to Kyoto (more than 20 years) that I'll have to look up the geographical references you mentioned. I still remember how to get to the 修学院 and 東山 districts of Kyoto, as well as 山科, which is on the Kyoto side of the Kyoto-Shiga prefectural boundary (大津--Ohtsu is on the Shiga side, by 琵琶湖-- Lake Biwa)

 

EastMeetsWest

(191 posts)
31. That's a good word to know in Kyoto!
Mon Jan 17, 2022, 03:21 PM
Jan 2022

Last edited Tue Jan 18, 2022, 06:41 AM - Edit history (1)

Another one is ほんまや HON-maya-- "Yeah, you're right"

Response to EastMeetsWest (Reply #15)

3catwoman3

(25,664 posts)
5. Any facility you have/had with the Romance languages will be of no...
Mon Nov 8, 2021, 12:36 AM
Nov 2021

…help whatsoever.

Learning Japanese is more like memorizing chemistry. I lived there for 2 years during my second tour of duty with the Air Force nurse corps. I took 3 evening courses in Japanese, and learned enough to ask a few basic questions but not enough to understand the answers. The local people did seem to appreciate my making an effort.

The Japanese word for bread is pan, borrowed from Spanish, and the word for job/work is arubaito from the German arbeit. Other than that, I don’t remember any similarities to any western languages.

Good luck!

 

EastMeetsWest

(191 posts)
16. Arubaito (アルバイト) means "part-time/temporary job"
Thu Jan 13, 2022, 08:50 AM
Jan 2022

The usual word for a longer term "job" is "shigoto" (仕事 ).

 

EastMeetsWest

(191 posts)
32. There are actually a lot of English loan words in Japanese
Mon Jan 17, 2022, 04:02 PM
Jan 2022

but they are given a Japanese pronunciation which makes it hard to recognize them as English words at first, much like French loan words are usually given an English pronunciation which makes it hard for French speakers to recognize

3catwoman3

(25,664 posts)
34. I remember one of the teachers in the 3 classes...
Mon Jan 17, 2022, 08:06 PM
Jan 2022

…I took talking about the Japanese words for beauty salon and hospital, which sound so similar to the western ear as to be essentially indistinguishable. When she said them, I could sort-of-almost-maybe hear the ever-so-subtle difference, but I could not, for the life of me, reproduce them.

My best sentence was, “Watashi wa kodomo no kangofu desu.” I couldn’t find a translation for pediatric nurse practitioner, so children’s nurse was as close as I could come. In the late 1970s, I don’t think the advanced practice nursing role existed in Japan, necessarily no translation.

 

EastMeetsWest

(191 posts)
35. Japanese has changed a lot
Tue Jan 18, 2022, 06:22 AM
Jan 2022

Last edited Tue Jan 18, 2022, 08:59 AM - Edit history (3)

even since WWII, when it was still standard for newspapers to use katakana and old-style Japanese characters. I've had to translate some research papers that were published in the immediate post-war era, and even as late as the 1960s, and it can be exasperating, since some characters are no longer used and don't show up in modern dictionaries. There was a Kanji (Chinese character) overhaul in the early '50s, but researchers who were used to the old system continued to use the old system well into the '70s.

By the way, "pediatric nurse" is now "小児科看護師", (shou-nika kangoshi) as 看護婦 (kangofu), which was specifically for women, seems to have morphed into 看護師 (kangoshi), which is not gender-specific.

I learned Japanese kanji (Chinese characters) with P.G.O'Neil's wonderful kanji guide, Essential Kanji (肝要漢字 ).

multigraincracker

(34,302 posts)
6. Domo arigato
Mon Nov 8, 2021, 01:31 AM
Nov 2021

Learned that from Styx song.
When I was working in a large antique mall, a family from japan came and I thanked them for buying an object with it. The mother told the daughter I spoke Japanese very well.

As soon as I get English down, I want to learn a new language.

PSPS

(14,194 posts)
8. It's too bad our savantic ability to naturally acquire languages pretty much dries up at puberty.
Mon Nov 8, 2021, 02:51 AM
Nov 2021

If you were, say, ten years old, you'd pick it up in a flash naturally.

 

EastMeetsWest

(191 posts)
36. I started studying Japanese at 22
Tue Jan 18, 2022, 06:28 AM
Jan 2022

but I was really motivated to study it (Japanese girlfriend), plus I had studied other languages and it seemed like there was a future for me in the Japanese language, in the 1980s. As it turned out, there was, as I have made a career out of it in Japan, after studying Japanese translation in college. But I also had a "private tutor", as it were, and I spent much time in Japan learning the language.

Kablooie

(18,793 posts)
9. Sugoi!
Mon Nov 8, 2021, 03:28 AM
Nov 2021

I lived in Japan for 2 years and my wife is Japanese. We used mainly Japanese in Japan but when we came to the US she needed English more so we switched. Im pretty rusty now but am glad I learned it. There is so much Japanese influence here now it's nice to be able to understand some of the source.
Ganbatte ne!

Buckeye_Democrat

(15,069 posts)
11. I never learned it despite working at some Japanese...
Mon Nov 8, 2021, 03:47 AM
Nov 2021

... owned factories for several years, other than the basics like "thanks" and "hello".

I made some coworkers laugh a few times by speaking gibberish that "sounded" Japanese. Very choppy and harsh-sounding, with my voice deeper than usual and me raising the volume to a maximum at the end of each sentence. Like I was a Japanese manager angrily speaking to a Japanese underling.

We had some Vietnamese-Americans working at that place too, but their language was softer and almost musical in comparison.

I probably heard performers like Sid Caesar and Peter Sellers too many times as a kid.

Sid Caesar speaking gibberish in French, German, Italian and finally Japanese:

 

Tomconroy

(7,611 posts)
12. My college roommate mastered it. He somehow got a job
Mon Nov 8, 2021, 07:39 AM
Nov 2021

As the token American people working for a Japanese advertising agency. I guess he picked it up pretty easily despite the fact everyone in his office wanted to try out their english with him.

Midnight Writer

(23,126 posts)
13. I've got a friend from a tiny Midwest town who became a Japanese interpreter.
Mon Nov 8, 2021, 10:42 AM
Nov 2021

Started learning in her twenties, and picked right up on it. She made a career of it and retired last year.

 

EastMeetsWest

(191 posts)
17. I'd like to retire,
Thu Jan 13, 2022, 08:56 AM
Jan 2022

Last edited Mon Jan 17, 2022, 08:06 AM - Edit history (2)

but I also enjoy doing the jobs I'm doing now. 退職したら良いと思うけど、同僚との付き合いは楽しい。
Tr: I'd like to retire, but it's fun to meet with my co-workers.

 

EastMeetsWest

(191 posts)
38. I just met with my co-workers today
Tue Jan 18, 2022, 06:52 AM
Jan 2022

A great bunch of people! I am honored to work for them! 彼らと仕事をするのが名誉です。

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