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Baltimike

(4,441 posts)
Thu Oct 22, 2020, 09:30 PM Oct 2020

Ok, so before I take down my elm tree, I really want a plan in place for a new one

I live in zone 7a, very near the Chesapeake Bay (so brackish salt water) My house faces N/NE. My elm is now about 65 to 70 feet tall, and I don't know if I can use some of the wood when it comes down, or do they recycle that, or is there something I should do about it? Anyway...

Some recs were the sweet gum tree, but they do a bit better a little more south of me, and they drop little prickly thingies that aren't going to cut it.

I don't want a sycamore tree, because I don't want to deal with those whirling things.

I don't want to go from a 65ft tall something to a fifteen foot tall crepe myrtle, so I want something substantial, and maybe one with more of a Spring show than a fall one, but both would be amazing.

Let me know what you think...

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Ok, so before I take down my elm tree, I really want a plan in place for a new one (Original Post) Baltimike Oct 2020 OP
Catalpa. They get big pretty fast and they have orchid-like flowers in the spring. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2020 #1
I've never even heard of that. luvallpeeps Oct 2020 #2
I have one in my front yard. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2020 #4
Excellent idea. Glorfindel Oct 2020 #3
we have a really neat native tree out here (AZ) Kali Oct 2020 #5
Who knew? But the flowers do look similar, only pink. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2020 #6
in the last couple of decades Kali Oct 2020 #7
an oak jxl Oct 2020 #8
Elm wood is very good for certain purposes -- it has a 'tangled' grain, so is very tough. eppur_se_muova Oct 2020 #9
My goodness, THANK YOU for all of this. :) nt Baltimike Oct 2020 #16
No biggie -- I've just watched too many episodes of The Woodwright's Shop. ;) eppur_se_muova Oct 2020 #19
It's very impressive, and I am very grateful. They want 3.5k to take it down Baltimike Oct 2020 #20
Black gum not a sweet gum Botany Oct 2020 #10
I stand corrected...you did say that. nt Baltimike Oct 2020 #11
I am really an expert on this stuff Botany Oct 2020 #12
I want something like 50ft, maybe 60 in maturity. Baltimike Oct 2020 #13
Caliper inches is the width of the tree 6" up from its root collar Botany Oct 2020 #14
My yard is long, but narrow, so I might be able to plant Baltimike Oct 2020 #15
I married into UserNotFound Oct 2020 #17
I must stand corrected that it was a BLACK gum tree, not a sweet gum. nt Baltimike Oct 2020 #18

luvallpeeps

(1,134 posts)
2. I've never even heard of that.
Thu Oct 22, 2020, 09:34 PM
Oct 2020

I looked it up, and wow. What a beaute! The flowers are indeed orchid-like! Nice.

Glorfindel

(9,958 posts)
3. Excellent idea.
Thu Oct 22, 2020, 09:42 PM
Oct 2020

I have an enormous one in my yard that my uncle planted about 65 years ago. It's a real beauty.
Tulip poplar might also be a good choice.

Kali

(55,876 posts)
5. we have a really neat native tree out here (AZ)
Thu Oct 22, 2020, 10:04 PM
Oct 2020

that has pretty orchid-like flowers called a black or desert willow )because the leaves are long and string-like and they look like willows. always been a favorite since childhood. come to find out they are related to catalpas. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chilopsis


Kali

(55,876 posts)
7. in the last couple of decades
Thu Oct 22, 2020, 10:20 PM
Oct 2020

breeders have been domesticating these and selecting for white, pink, and more violet colors. I can see variations just in the wild trees around me. they also make the same long skinny seed pods as the "real" Catalpa trees.

jxl

(8 posts)
8. an oak
Thu Oct 22, 2020, 10:37 PM
Oct 2020

Look at oaks as a possibility. The are big, long lived, and, most importantly, produce caterpillars that birds feed to their babies. (Chickadees need 6-9,000 caterpillars to raise a brood of nestlings.)

Dr. Doug Tallamy, from the U. of Delaware, writes a lot about how trees are important for birds. Just google his name and you will find out about books he's written, studies he and his students have conducted, and other recommendations about how to manage your yard to benefit wildlife.

Good luck.

eppur_se_muova

(37,665 posts)
9. Elm wood is very good for certain purposes -- it has a 'tangled' grain, so is very tough.
Thu Oct 22, 2020, 11:10 PM
Oct 2020

The traditional use is in chair bottoms, and some other furniture.

Try googling "sawmill" and the name of your county; look for "local buyer" within their Web pages. Mature elms are scarce now, so you could get a pretty good price. Don't pay to have it removed until you get a quote from a lumber buyer -- they will likely want to fell it themselves, to get the highest recovery of useful wood (which means the best price for you). If it's too far to travel, they won't be interested, though -- profit margins are thin.

If nothing else, notify any blacksmiths in your area that you will have an elm stump available -- it's the traditional support for anvils.

eppur_se_muova

(37,665 posts)
19. No biggie -- I've just watched too many episodes of The Woodwright's Shop. ;)
Sat Oct 24, 2020, 09:40 PM
Oct 2020

OK, I did read some of St. Roy's books, too, but it's been mostly book larnin' on my part.

Baltimike

(4,441 posts)
20. It's very impressive, and I am very grateful. They want 3.5k to take it down
Sat Oct 24, 2020, 10:44 PM
Oct 2020

and that doesn't include stump grinding

Botany

(72,662 posts)
12. I am really an expert on this stuff
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 08:43 AM
Oct 2020

Plant a native tree that is on its own root stock .... not a graft.

Do not plant a tree > 2" in caliper ... 1 1/2 is the best. Bigger trees go into shock
in many cases and the smaller ones will catch up and out grow larger ones.

If you want a smaller tree Pagoda Dogwood is a great tree or a blackhaw viburnum

You also have some hardy native evergreen magnolia that grow in your area.

Don't forget the oaks too.


Botany

(72,662 posts)
14. Caliper inches is the width of the tree 6" up from its root collar
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 10:44 AM
Oct 2020

Don't worry about about the tree's size a maturity. It will not be a problem.
Planted right a tree should live @ least 100 + years.

BTW stay away from "fast growing" trees. They tend to be weak and break up in the wind.

In a perfect world I would suggest planting 2 trees about 8 to 10' apart so you can make
a bed that connects the 2.




Baltimike

(4,441 posts)
15. My yard is long, but narrow, so I might be able to plant
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 12:15 PM
Oct 2020

one in front of the other, but my recently replaced water pipes are also there. They's pvc now, but still a concern

UserNotFound

(111 posts)
17. I married into
Sat Oct 24, 2020, 07:12 AM
Oct 2020

SEVEN large (>50 ft) sweet gum trees. You DO NOT want even one...

I love mimosa trees. Many folks down here in the South hate them, but I grew up climbing around in them. I think they are beautiful, but I doubt they are something that would fit your needs... A humorous article from Southern Living...

https://www.southernliving.com/garden/grumpy-gardener/mimosa-the-wonderful-weed

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