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hedgehog

(36,286 posts)
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 02:46 PM Sep 2013

A question on obesity - I am finally losing weight, but only by going on a very low

calorie diet (under my physician's advice). I didn't drink soda, I didn't buy processed foods or eat out, I never bought chips - my only bad habit was having dessert daily - but my honest calorie intake was within guidelines.

So, I am losing weight now, but I am convinced that something is very wrong - possibly having the wrong intestinal bacteria:

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/265434.php

I am also somewhat suspicious of GMO corn which ends up in just about everything sooner or later.

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A question on obesity - I am finally losing weight, but only by going on a very low (Original Post) hedgehog Sep 2013 OP
Some suggestions spinbaby Sep 2013 #1
I have done all those things, and have walked miles in addition - hedgehog Sep 2013 #2
This might interest you. postulater Sep 2013 #3
That looks like interesting research. hedgehog Sep 2013 #4
you could add other fermented foods in addition to the yogurt. noamnety Sep 2013 #5
I love kimchi! It's about the only Korean food that's not hedgehog Sep 2013 #6
I hear you. laundry_queen Sep 2013 #7
Most antibiotics in the US are fed to healthy livestock - hedgehog Sep 2013 #8
Lots of diseases include obesity as a symptom MissMillie Oct 2013 #9

spinbaby

(15,210 posts)
1. Some suggestions
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 04:42 PM
Sep 2013

Have your thyroid checked, try cutting carbs, and taking probiotics certainly can't hurt.

hedgehog

(36,286 posts)
2. I have done all those things, and have walked miles in addition -
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 04:49 PM
Sep 2013

and had my adrenal glands checked! What I'm saying is that there is no good reason for me to have gained weight, and having to cut back to below 1000 calories/day to lose weight goes against every discussion of dieting I've ever read! I think something is very wrong with our systems and/or with our food!

postulater

(5,075 posts)
3. This might interest you.
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 04:56 PM
Sep 2013

I had it open in another browser as I read your post.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22826636 (Look in the upper right for a link to the entire paper free.)

A diet of grain-free whole foods with carbohydrate from cellular tubers, leaves, and fruits may produce a gastrointestinal microbiota consistent with our evolutionary condition, potentially explaining the exceptional macronutrient-independent metabolic health of non-Westernized populations, and the apparent efficacy of the modern "Paleolithic" diet on satiety and metabolism.


Carbs are not all the same. Some are better at feeding gut bacteria than others. Inulin, guar gum and glucomannan are pretty good at supplying raw material for the gut to work with.

And no-one knows exactly what the best combination of gut bacteria is at this point. Some with good research are Lactobacillus reuteri and Saccharomyces boulardii (a good yeast).

hedgehog

(36,286 posts)
4. That looks like interesting research.
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 05:12 PM
Sep 2013

I have no doubt that in 5-10 years scripts for good bacteria will be routine!

I do think i lose weight more easily when I eat yogurt. On a side note - my husband's home brewed beer seems to really settle his digestive system.

 

noamnety

(20,234 posts)
5. you could add other fermented foods in addition to the yogurt.
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 08:44 PM
Sep 2013

kimchi's pretty easy to make. So is kombucha if you can get your hands on a starter mushroom.

laundry_queen

(8,646 posts)
7. I hear you.
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 03:19 PM
Sep 2013

I seem to only lose weight when I starve myself. I was on a low-carb diet for 5 months last year and didn't drop a pound despite eating less than I ever have before in my life (it did make me feel better though, except for it was hard on my stomach and I had to stop - I have chronic gastritis and the diet irritated it too much). I never cheated once for 5 months and was very strict. I stayed away from high fat meats, I ate tons of veggies etc. Didn't matter.

I've since been diagnosed as having non-ulcer dyspepsia w/chronic gastritis. I've also had IBS for years. My gastroenterologist put me on "Align" for probiotics. It has helped with all my symptoms if you were looking at a probiotic that has scientific studies associated with it (for IBS anyway). There have been studies that link antibiotic use in babies and children with obesity - which ties in with the article you posted. I was constantly on antibiotics as a kid, for ear infections as a baby and constant tonsillitis/strep throat as a child. Also, I was fed soy formula as an infant which can affect some gut enzymes that control metabolism of some medications according to studies, which, I'm hypothesizing, can in turn affect gut flora.

Neither of my parents are overweight. In fact, my mom is very petite and thin. Neither had antibiotics until their teens. I recently lived with my parents for a few months, and I ate what my mom ate, and didn't lose anything, while she did (and she didn't need to). I lost 60 lbs when my husband left me and I had what could be deemed a nervous breakdown. I couldn't eat for months. Afterwards, I totalled the calories I was taking in during the day (I ate the same thing every day, the only few things I could stomach) - I was averaging 300-500 cals/day. Apparently that's the only way I can lose weight. Once I was back up to 1200-1500 cals/day, I gained it all back within a year.

I don't drink any soda either, just water, sometimes carbonated water or tea. I eat plenty of veggies. I do occasionally eat junk, because if it's in the house I'm eating it (4 picky eater kids makes it hard to eat all healthy all the time) but I balance it with healthy foods and I exercise by walking my kids to the bus stop every day and picking them up (About 20 min total of walking). I lived with my mother who binged on potato chips and wine on the weekends (I'm not a drinker) and she never gained because she kept it to the weekends only, which is usually how I do it too. That said - I could probably improve my diet, and I know I have food issues thanks to my mother - she always controlled my food and shamed me because I was always a bigger child...'normal' weight but not small boned or thin at all. I am very muscular though, even now I'm ridiculously strong for a woman. I understand I need to have a healthier relationship with food, but even considering that, I shouldn't be as large as I am.

I don't think it's ALL gut flora for me, but it's a piece in the puzzle. I also believe that 'obesogens' play a role ( http://www.davidsuzuki.org/blogs/panther-lounge/2012/01/is-pollution-making-us-fat/ ). It's possible GMO plays a role - perhaps it affects gut flora as well. Add in HFCS in everything, medications that cause weight gain (hello SSRIs! Glad I'm off YOU.) and overall less movement during the day due to office work, and it's no wonder there's a higher rate of obesity overall. Some of these factor into my problems and I'm trying to control what I can and accept that I'll likely never be 'skinny' no matter what I do due to those factors beyond my control.

Anyway, I've babbled on enough. I get how much it sucks to be obese and feel like it's beyond your control.

hedgehog

(36,286 posts)
8. Most antibiotics in the US are fed to healthy livestock -
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 06:54 PM
Sep 2013

to make them put on weight! There isn't a good explanation of the mechanism, as far as I know, but if the antibiotics are tipping the microflora in the animals in a certain direction, then we've seen a natural experiment take place for decades!

MissMillie

(39,010 posts)
9. Lots of diseases include obesity as a symptom
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 11:40 AM
Oct 2013

Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome, for example

Make sure you talk to your physician about all of your health issues.

Sometimes obesity causes problems, and sometimes problems cause obesity.

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