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Forcing a woman to give birth against her will also violates the 3rd, 4th, and 14th Amendments.

Than the expected outcome of intercourse or getting pregnant was not involuntary.

What about enforcing child support laws isnt that involuntary servitude if the male wanted the female to terminate the pregnancy.

No there needs to be more personal responsibility to ones own actions and choices and having a baby cannot be played off as a victim or compared to slavery.

I am prochoice i believe what happens between an individual and their doctor should stay there. But dont drae a false comparison to slavery or dead beat dads who dont pay child support could claim the same thing.

Which there still are in this world..even in this country.. To compare having a baby to slavery.

Pro-choice all the way but this is not a good argument.

In which case i would agree.

But if one conceives of their own free will than the argument falls apart. So its not a good argument. We need to have personal responsibility especially when birth control is so available on so many forms. But nothing is 100% besides absentnence so one has to accept the responsibility for the out come of their own actions and they cannot play the im a slave card. Unless ofcourse if it was forced on them. But accidental conception is not forced conception.

The better argument is that it is a save medical proceedure preformed between a willing patient and a throughly trained doctor. And the freedom of the individual allows for safe proceedures they see fit with their doctor. And the privacy between an individual and their doctor is unapproachable.
Basically people should just mine their own business.

But comparing birth to slavery isnt going to change anybodies mind its more preaching to the choir.

Think i made my point. Thanks for the post though.

it implies forced birth.

Since their are drugs and procedures to resolve conception...if you don't allow the drugs and procedures you are forcing the birth.

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You expect the ladies to practice personal responsibility at the same time repub lawmakers are defunding Planned Parenthood & going after our reproductive rights.

Regarding your final sentence - you are ONE person. Comparing forced birth to slavery might change minds. I personally believe it's a valid argument.


on edit: Like this kind of shit:

Trump administration suddenly pulls plug on teen pregnancy programs
By Jane Kay / July 14, 2017

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029325630

The Trump administration has quietly axed $213.6 million in teen pregnancy prevention programs and research at more than 80 institutions around the country, including Children’s Hospital of Los Angeles and Johns Hopkins University.

The decision by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services will end five-year grants awarded by the Obama administration that were designed to find scientifically valid ways to help teenagers make healthy decisions that avoid unwanted pregnancies.
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and they didn't ask the female to terminate the pregnancy.

When you solve the majority of the problem...then we can talk about the minority of the problem.

I'd say lets transfer the fetus to the male if he wants the fetus to continue to grow. Implant it in him and let him deal with it. After of course he pays for both surgeries and her recovery time.

Very, very few, would be my guess.

The point is that, long before reproductive rights were on most policymakers' radar, the wording of the Thirteenth Amendment was interpreted in light of the situation that had produced it: chattel slavery of human beings in the antebellum United States (mostly but not exclusively in the states of the Confederacy).

As a practical matter, I don't think that pushing a radical reinterpretation of the Thirteenth Amendment is likely to be an effective way to protect or expand reproductive rights.