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Starry Messenger

(32,375 posts)
Thu May 2, 2013, 06:56 PM May 2013

Wikipedia's Sexism

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/28/opinion/sunday/wikipedias-sexism.html?_r=1&



Early last week I noticed something strange on Wikipedia. It appeared that, gradually, over time, the volunteer editors who create the site had begun moving women, one by one, from the “American Novelists” category to the “American Women Novelists” subcategory. Female authors whose last names began with A or B had been most affected.

The intention appeared to be to create a list of “American Novelists” made up almost entirely of men. The category listed 3,837 authors, and the first few hundred were mainly men. An explanation at the top of the page said that the list of “American Novelists” was too long, and novelists had to be put in subcategories whenever possible.

People who might have gone to Wikipedia to get ideas for whom to hire, or honor, or read, and looked at that list of “American Novelists” for inspiration, might not even have noticed that the first page of it included far more men than women. They might simply have used that list without thinking twice about it. It’s probably small, easily fixable things like this that make it harder and slower for women to gain equality in the literary world.

Many female novelists, like Harper Lee, Anne Rice, Amy Tan, Donna Tartt and some 300 others, had been relegated to the ranks of “American Women Novelists” only, and no longer appeared in the category “American Novelists.”

Male novelists on Wikipedia, however — no matter how obscure — all got to be in the category “American Novelists.” In an Op-Ed article I wrote, published on The New York Times’s Web site on Wednesday, I suggested it was too bad that there wasn’t a subcategory for “American Men Novelists.” And what do you know; shortly after, a new subcategory called exactly that appeared.

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Wikipedia's Sexism (Original Post) Starry Messenger May 2013 OP
The Wikipedia editors have made changes since that article came out. Eugene May 2013 #1
Not everyone follows the discussion pages at wiki though. Starry Messenger May 2013 #2

Eugene

(62,767 posts)
1. The Wikipedia editors have made changes since that article came out.
Thu May 2, 2013, 09:14 PM
May 2013

American women novelists is now a "distinguished subcategory" and women novelist articles are listed under both American novelists and American women novelists. Gender-based categories are currently under active discussion.

The editors have been going round and round on this for months.

Starry Messenger

(32,375 posts)
2. Not everyone follows the discussion pages at wiki though.
Thu May 2, 2013, 09:30 PM
May 2013

I think this article is topical for the Feminist group. I'm glad to hear the discussion is under way. As the article states, leaving it awhile with only one gender separated out leads to overlooking the work of that gender.

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