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Eugene

(62,765 posts)
Mon Dec 23, 2024, 10:19 PM 21 hrs ago

Trump vows to stop 'transgender lunacy' and make two genders official US policy

Source: Agence France-Presse

Trump vows to stop ‘transgender lunacy' and make two genders official US policy

Issued on: 23/12/2024 - 02:45
Modified: 23/12/2024 - 02:43
By:
NEWS WIRES

At a conference for young conservatives in Arizona Sunday, US President-elect Donald Trump said the official policy of his upcoming administration would be the recognition of only two genders, male and female, as he pledged to end "transgender lunacy” on the first day of his presidency.

President-elect Donald Trump on Sunday pledged to "stop the transgender lunacy" on day one of his presidency, as Republicans — set to control both chambers of Congress and the White House — continue their push against LGBTQ rights.

"I will sign executive orders to end child sexual mutilation, get transgender out of the military and out of our elementary schools and middle schools and high schools," the president-elect said at an event for young conservatives in Phoenix, Arizona.

He also vowed to "keep men out of women's sports," adding that "it will be the official policy of the United States government that there are only two genders, male and female."

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Read more: https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20241223-trump-vows-to-stop-transgender-lunacy-as-a-top-priority

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Trump vows to stop 'transgender lunacy' and make two genders official US policy (Original Post) Eugene 21 hrs ago OP
He's still campaigning BOSSHOG 21 hrs ago #1
I hate this evil POS so much. He needs to..... never mind. CurtEastPoint 21 hrs ago #2
Every single thing he does dweller 21 hrs ago #3
What do intersex people do? YorkRd 21 hrs ago #4
Good question, YorkRd. ❤️ littlemissmartypants 16 hrs ago #7
This message was self-deleted by its author littlemissmartypants 16 hrs ago #8
Doesn't matter if there are only two genders. You still get to pick which one, and that is independent of government pol Bernardo de La Paz 21 hrs ago #5
Absolutely all of the above. 100% FalloutShelter 21 hrs ago #6
Easier said than done. TommyT139 16 hrs ago #9
Of course, but if you only see it as platitudes, then "whoosh". What part of point 7 did you not understand? Bernardo de La Paz 15 hrs ago #10
Clear? TommyT139 14 hrs ago #11
Okay, that's all you got. Now you are free to go berate and belittle FalloutShelter. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz 12 hrs ago #12
Well, well, three posts back you wrote the same thing as I did Bernardo de La Paz 12 hrs ago #13
Sometimes I get the feeling ... 4th 11 hrs ago #14
In talking to MAGA voters, I think it was a big issue to them and a major factor in the election. Midnight Writer 10 hrs ago #15
Trump's Mother Burnnotice 7 hrs ago #16

BOSSHOG

(40,259 posts)
1. He's still campaigning
Mon Dec 23, 2024, 10:23 PM
21 hrs ago

Trying to out stupid President Elect Musk.

That first day is gonna be a (cuss word).

Response to YorkRd (Reply #4)

Bernardo de La Paz

(51,238 posts)
5. Doesn't matter if there are only two genders. You still get to pick which one, and that is independent of government pol
Mon Dec 23, 2024, 10:47 PM
21 hrs ago

There are basically only two genders (vast oversimplification that ignores transitioning, asex, bisex, non-binary, intersex, XXY, XYY, epigenetics, and a lot more that would not be useful to get into or detail here) but that doesn't matter because:

1. You are who you are inside your lived experience especially in your mind.

2. You can choose who you want to be and become that because it is your lived experience and your mind.

3. Outward appearances are malleable to varying degrees at varying expense with varying risk, but they are to help other people understand better who you are. You know who you are: you are you.

4. Governmental policy can throw awful roadblocks to designations on drivers licenses and competitions of certain kinds and such, but that doesn't change who you are because that is inside.

5. Take comfort that you are who you are regardless of what people see or say or think they see.

6. If we are going to allow, as we do as a society, breast enlargement and penis enhancement, then as a society where all people have equal rights (yeah, I know...) it does not matter what chromosomes you have if you want your breast enlarged or your penis enhanced or both: you are allowed to do it.

7. I am sorry that people have to suffer because of repressive busybodies who have a ridiculously narrow outlook on life (yes, that's you, evangullibles and maga).

8. Carry on as best as you can, knowing you are you.

What is government gonna do when we understand gene regulation and epigenetics to the degree where we will be able to grow feathers or gills? It's coming, unlikely in my lifetime, but it is coming.

TommyT139

(750 posts)
9. Easier said than done.
Tue Dec 24, 2024, 03:54 AM
16 hrs ago

It's very easy to tell trans folks that they can be who they are in their (our) heads...but that's forcing people to stay in or return to a closet where the rest of the world doesn't see you for who you are. It's worse than being invisible.

So if you're trying to make trans people feel better, please don't give facile advice, especially in person, no matter how well-meaning. If someone said that to me, I would understand that the gulf between us is so vast that they had no idea how it is for trans folks. And instead of asking, they just trotted out platitudes.





Bernardo de La Paz

(51,238 posts)
10. Of course, but if you only see it as platitudes, then "whoosh". What part of point 7 did you not understand?
Tue Dec 24, 2024, 04:36 AM
15 hrs ago
7. I am sorry that people have to suffer because of repressive busybodies who have a ridiculously narrow outlook on life (yes, that's you, evangullibles and maga).

Did you stumble over the words sorry and suffer or glide right over them? For some people "suffer" is a pale approximation of what they are going or may go through at the hands of a rough society, but I chose not to go into gory detail of what that might be since as only an ally I'm not the one to explain that so I didn't.

Of course it is not easy being trans anywhere anytime but likely worse in USA in next four years. Allies are not forcing people into closets, bigots are. I wrote carefully so you can't find any point in my post that suggests in the slightest that people vilified by tRump should shut up or hide or change appearance. If they decide to do so, that is their decision and might be a wise one for personal safety. If they decide to NOT do so, that is their decision and might be a wise one for leading the movement and society by example. Whatever they decide, they remain themselves. Clear enough for you?

I wrote the post as a counter to tRump's bogus idea that declaring "there are only two genders" somehow makes trans go away, countered most directly by my point #2. External definitions do not fundamentally change who a person is inside, where it counts. The rest just sort of flowed out. Sorry.

Bernardo de La Paz

(51,238 posts)
12. Okay, that's all you got. Now you are free to go berate and belittle FalloutShelter. . . . nt
Tue Dec 24, 2024, 07:05 AM
12 hrs ago

Bernardo de La Paz

(51,238 posts)
13. Well, well, three posts back you wrote the same thing as I did
Tue Dec 24, 2024, 07:59 AM
12 hrs ago
Maybe this thought can be a comfort - however bad things get for us who are vulnerable, we still aren't trapped inside the lives of people who are so out of touch with reality that they need to sue a pollster.

4th

(105 posts)
14. Sometimes I get the feeling ...
Tue Dec 24, 2024, 08:47 AM
11 hrs ago

.... THIS is the issue that got him elected. Not all that other shit.

Maybe I'm being paranoid?

Midnight Writer

(23,122 posts)
15. In talking to MAGA voters, I think it was a big issue to them and a major factor in the election.
Tue Dec 24, 2024, 09:25 AM
10 hrs ago

No MAGA I talked to has ever met a trans person or even ever been affected by the actions of a trans person, but they KNOW that allowing trans people and other LGBTQ folks to live in peace is destroying America.

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