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cbabe

(4,814 posts)
Mon Feb 10, 2025, 12:33 PM Feb 10

Israeli police raid Jerusalem bookshops and arrest Palestinian owners

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/feb/10/israeli-police-raid-jerusalem-bookshops-and-arrest-palestinian-owners

Israeli police raid Jerusalem bookshops and arrest Palestinian owners

Raid on Educational Bookshop branches described by rights groups as part of harassment campaign against Palestinian intellectuals

Emma Graham-Harrison and Quique Kierszenbaum in Jerusalem
Mon 10 Feb 2025 09.25 EST

Israeli police have raided a leading Palestinian-owned bookshop in Jerusalem and detained two of its owners, citing a children’s colouring book as evidence of incitement to terrorism.

The police ransacked two branches of the Educational Bookshop on Sunday afternoon, using Google Translate to examine the stock then detaining Mahmoud Muna, 41, and his nephew Ahmed Muna, 33, on suspicion of “violating public order”.



“They took any book that had a Palestinian icon or Palestinian flag, and tried to translate it using Google Translate,” Morad Muna, brother of Mahmoud, told the Guardian. “They even took a copy of Haaretz [an Israeli newspaper] as part of the search.”

Other books examined by the police included the artist Banksy’s Wall and Piece, Gaza in Crisis by the US academic Noam Chomsky and the Israeli scholar Ilan Pappé, and Love Wins by the Canadian film-maker and photographer Afzal Huda.

Rights groups and prominent intellectuals called for the men’s immediate release, describing the arrests as part of a broader attack on Palestinian cultural identity.

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Israeli police raid Jerusalem bookshops and arrest Palestinian owners (Original Post) cbabe Feb 10 OP
This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Feb 10 #1
Strange language for a Jew Mosby Israeli Feb 11 #3
Sounds really fascist don't it? Eko Feb 10 #2
Yes it does Israeli Feb 11 #4
It does indeed. So does a children's book titled "From the River to the sea" Beastly Boy Feb 11 #5
Free speech is free speech Israeli Feb 11 #6
Not all speech is free speech. Beastly Boy Feb 11 #7
Quote from Gadeer Nicola Israeli Feb 12 #10
Thanks for your reply. Eko Feb 11 #8
The Next Great Threat to Israel's National Security: An Educational Bookshop Israeli Feb 12 #9

Response to cbabe (Original post)

Israeli

(4,347 posts)
3. Strange language for a Jew Mosby
Tue Feb 11, 2025, 09:12 AM
Feb 11

what does " Jesus fucking Christ " have to do with any of this ??

We live in the Middle East .

What do you consider civilized about the West ?

Donald Trump and Elon Musk ????????

Eko

(9,030 posts)
2. Sounds really fascist don't it?
Mon Feb 10, 2025, 08:28 PM
Feb 10

I still have no idea why people support that government.

Israeli

(4,347 posts)
4. Yes it does
Tue Feb 11, 2025, 09:38 AM
Feb 11

I still cant believe that the majority of Americans voted for Trump.

So now both our countries are ruled by fascists.

BTW Eko ......you need to read and learn , not all of us support this gov , not by a long shot .

See : https://www.972mag.com/educational-bookshop-east-jerusalem-raid-arrests/

Beastly Boy

(11,882 posts)
5. It does indeed. So does a children's book titled "From the River to the sea"
Tue Feb 11, 2025, 10:23 AM
Feb 11

Freedom of speech is not absolute. It doesn't cover indoctrination into the culture of violence.

Did the book warrant the fascist response? Absolutely not. But it does warrant just a bit of a condemnation when fascism is the theme.

Israeli

(4,347 posts)
6. Free speech is free speech
Tue Feb 11, 2025, 11:42 AM
Feb 11

its the first thing they close down.

First it was the BBC then Al Jazeera and then Haaretz and now this .

They are trying to shut down our secular television news channels !!!!

Who is next ????

My gov and yours are a shame .

Beastly Boy

(11,882 posts)
7. Not all speech is free speech.
Tue Feb 11, 2025, 01:22 PM
Feb 11

Antisemitism is not free speech. Indoctrinating children into homicidal cult ideology is not free speech. I have no problem mentioning violations of free speech and deployment of hate speech in the same post. Condemning each is not that difficult. The consequences of observing both happening at the same time, on the other hand, are a lot more nuanced to make a single immediate judgement on.

As far as the shameful government ruling Israel, don't get me started on it. I can talk to you frankly about what I think of this gang of zealots because you would know what I am talking about and would not, as certain DUers have done with some of your posts, use what I say to promote anti-Israel and antisemitic narratives of their own. I consider Israel to be under occupation by the current government. This is a hyperbole, and I don't mean it literally, but it explains my view of the situation in shorthand. The reasons that made it possible are too complex to address on social media, and none of them have to do with the unanimous approval of the government by the majority of Israeli voters.I make this analogy to point out that it is not irreversible and in all likelihood temporary.

In the case of the current Netanyahu regime, what pisses me off most, and the reason why I invoke occupation, is that I see the conventions being legitimate and permissible in the occupied territories under international law being applied to the entire society of the sovereign State of Israel, eroding the country's long-standing democratic institutions.

Try explaining this to someone who is routinely and in all seriousness uses labels like "European colonialism", "genocide", "land grab", "apartheid" and other such nonsense to describe Israel, Zionism and Judaism as if they are one and the same.

Israeli

(4,347 posts)
10. Quote from Gadeer Nicola
Wed Feb 12, 2025, 05:49 AM
Feb 12
Once we permit and accept restricting another’s freedom of expression, the restriction will spread and reach each and every one of us. Those in power won’t give up on attaining more and more power and will expand the attack against any source expressing opposition, even against those who sit and watch what’s happening in silence…

During this period, a series of bills are being actively promoted, aimed at imposing a policy of silencing and persecution in Israel’s higher education institutions, not just against students but also against professors. Against all these proposals and others, the Association for Civil Rights has fought in the Knesset and courts to protect all our rights as citizens and human beings…

Because of this simple truth: the true test of any regime claiming to be democratic is the status of the minority within it, and the true protection of freedom of expression begins with protecting the narrative of the other. When the wind of fascism breathes down your neck, you don’t bow your head hoping it will pass, you don’t “sell out” parts of the public hoping it will satisfy the incitement machine. You fight fascism face to face, with the full truth, and without bending and compromising your principles. This is what history taught us. Otherwise, the winds of fascism will uproot everything… Finally, it’s important to remember this isn’t a lost battle… And we at the Association for Civil Rights will be partners in this journey. We will lead Jewish-Arab partnerships and work with anyone who holds these values dear—until it’s better here.


Link : https://www.nif.org/stories/human-rights-democracy/keeping-the-israeli-press-free/

Eko

(9,030 posts)
8. Thanks for your reply.
Tue Feb 11, 2025, 08:24 PM
Feb 11

I appreciate it. I also know that not all Israelis support them but I thank you for providing a link to the article. I also agree with you that it is wrong to paint with a broad brush. It is not in any way fair to blame all of a group for the actions of some or even a majority. Ive been pushing that point for a while now and have received a lot of push-back with the whole FAFO crowd. Once again thanks for the conversation and keep on keeponing.
Eko.

Israeli

(4,347 posts)
9. The Next Great Threat to Israel's National Security: An Educational Bookshop
Wed Feb 12, 2025, 04:33 AM
Feb 12

Shocking as it was, the Sunday afternoon Israel Police raid on the Educational Bookshop in East Jerusalem, together with the court-warranted arrest of two of its owners, Mahmoud and Ahmad Muna, came as little surprise. They two have since been released.

The members of the Muna family have long been both local and international heroes – proud Palestinians, open to the world, and to all who cross their thresholds in peace – and the two small but jam-packed storefronts that they've run for years, opposite each other on busy Salah al-Din Street, represent all the ingenuity, hope, creativity, initiative, and cultural pride that the current Israeli regime has designated For Jews and Jews Alone.

We speak as (Jewish) readers, writers, translators, editors, teachers, book-shoppers, publishers, browsers, frequent bringers-of-foreign guests, regular audience members at bookstore events, sometimes participants in bookstore events, now and then sitters and sippers of tea and coffee on the warmly welcoming second floor of the newer of the twin shops.

We speak in admiration (for the Munas), we speak in anger (at the judge, at the police), we speak in sadness (for us all): This is what the People of the Book have come to? This is what the people whose books have so often been burned are now doing to other people, to other books? Well, yes.


It's actually quite logical. While the Educational Bookshop is prized for its very well-curated stock of publications that relate to the Middle East in general, and to Palestine, and the Palestine–Israel question in particular, with books, journals, and magazines in English, Arabic, French, and other languages, the Munas' business has never really been "just" about books, or about shopping for that matter.

Education, of course, has also always figured centrally. In part that has meant making available the hands–on staples of any, and one would hope every, child's education: the school supplies that fill their backpacks – notebooks and pencils, post-it notes and highlighters. It has also meant creating a very adult oasis for the exchange of challenging literary, political, and cultural ideas.

This, the Munas have managed to build, bit by bit, book by book, between the brimming shelves and coffee cups. And this is the great threat – the "violation of public order" (later updated to incitement) – that prompted the police's aggressive raid on one of the most non-violent places we know in an all-too-violent city.

Against multiple odds, and with remarkable calm and generosity, the Munas have striven to teach both locals and foreigners about Palestine and Palestinian dignity, Palestinian lives. We ourselves, both local and foreign, in our way, have, over the years, learned a great deal from books we've bought there, conversations we've had there, readings and talks we've attended there, or under the bookshop's gentle auspices.

A few particularly meaningful purchases: at least one copy of the classic Hans Wehr 'Dictionary of Modern Arabic,' at least two copies of Moin Haloun's textbook of spoken Palestinian Arabic, the Nablus-born poet Fadwa Tuqan's memoir, 'A Mountainous Journey,' Mahmoud Darwish's poetry collection, 'Limadha tarakta al-hisan wahidan ?' [Why did you leave the horse alone?], Christiane Dabdoub Nasser's 'Classic Palestinian Cookery,' Walid Khalidi's monumental chronicle of the 418 villages that Israel erased in 1948, 'All That Remains.

All that remains indeed. Among other things that remain in our minds is the memory of one especially stirring Jerusalem evening nearly a decade and a half ago, when a group of international writers gathered in a garden behind one of the East's old-world cultural institutes, to read from recently published work about the place, its charged past and present. We can no longer recall if it was the Alliance Francaise or the British Council – but the smell of the jasmine and murmur of the crowd are still vivid. The Educational Bookshop was one the sponsors of this event: Mahmoud and several other Munas had arrayed piles of books beneath a tree, and as one reader after another rose to take part, the audience listened quietly.

Toward the end of the evening, a British editor mounted the small stage and announced that he'd be reading a brief excerpt from a book by a former Israeli soldier, written shortly after 1948, about the expulsion by the army of Palestinians from their village. The air tightened slightly. The passage, by S. Yizhar, who would go on to become one of modern Hebrew's most distinguished writers, as well as professor of education at the Hebrew University, describes in unflinching detail his horror at what he, and his comrades, had become part of.

"What in God's name," Yizhar asks, "are we doing in this place?"

Adina Hoffman and Peter Cole
Feb 11, 2025

Source : Haaretz

Link : https://archive.md/VjaAO



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