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lapucelle

(19,639 posts)
Thu Jan 2, 2025, 05:01 PM Jan 2

UN agency says 2 killed as Gaza aid convoy looted; Hamas claims that the UN WFP is 'fully responsible'.

UN agency says 2 killed as Gaza aid convoy looted; Hamas claims organization ‘fully responsible’
30 December 2024, 10:09 pm

Two people have been killed in northern Gaza, as gunmen attacked an aid convoy, the World Food Program says, prompting Hamas to accuse the UN agency of having failed to coordinate security.

The World Food Program says in a statement that “a coordinated movement to bring in 40 trucks on behalf of humanitarian partners” on Sunday “was faced with violent, armed looting, resulting in the deaths of two. During the armed looting, five trucks of commodities were lost,” it adds.

Hamas, the Palestinian terror group that runs the Gaza Strip, says in a statement that “a catastrophic mistake” by the World Food Program “claimed the lives of two citizens and injured dozens with bullets.”

“We hold it fully responsible and demand that it not violate the protocol followed regarding coordination to secure aid trucks,” the statement says.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/un-agency-says-2-killed-as-gaza-aid-convoy-looted-hamas-claims-organization-fully-responsible/
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sheshe2

(88,534 posts)
2. Sure, it is everyone's fault but theirs.
Thu Jan 2, 2025, 05:14 PM
Jan 2

I guess HAMAS is fully stocked now while their own citizens starve.

This is on HAMAS and no one else.

lapucelle

(19,639 posts)
3. Hamas looters murder two UN World Food Program workers and then steal 5 trucks full of aid.
Thu Jan 2, 2025, 05:21 PM
Jan 2

And Hamas blames the UN.

For some reason, none of this was reported by the media in the US.

sheshe2

(88,534 posts)
5. Of course they blame the UN...
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 07:36 PM
21 hrs ago

anyone but themselves as THEY loot the trucks. This is aid that is being provided to Palestinians, the very people they 'govern'.

AloeVera

(2,130 posts)
4. Sure about that?
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 07:20 PM
22 hrs ago

From OCHA:

New York, 6 January 2025) Our humanitarian effort in Gaza, already struggling, faces mounting obstacles.

Just three examples from the last couple of days alone. An Israeli strike seriously injured three people at a known food distribution point where a partner of the World Food Programme was operating. Israeli soldiers fired over 16 bullets at a clearly marked UN convoy at the checkpoint from the south to the north. Armed Palestinian gangs hijacked six fuel tankers entering from the Kerem Shalom crossing, leaving us hardly any fuel for aid operations.

These incidents are part of a dangerous pattern of sabotage and deliberate disruption. On Friday night, Israeli forces increased attacks during the movement of a 74-truck aid convoy. A drone strike hit a vehicle from the local community which was protecting part of the convoy. And just a few days ago, a UN mission out of Jabalya ran into hostile Israeli soldiers who threatened critical patients and arrested four of them.


The reality is that despite our determination to deliver food, water, and medicine to survivors, our efforts to save lives are at breaking point. There is no meaningful civil order. Israeli forces are unable or unwilling to ensure the safety of our convoys. Statements by Israeli authorities vilify our aid workers even as the military attacks them. Community volunteers who accompany our convoys are being targeted. There is now a perception that it is dangerous to protect aid convoys but safe to loot them.


Bolding mine.

The Palestinian armed gangs? Criminal elements associated with tribal clans (the ones that Israel wants to GOVERN Gaza). Thus more chaos, instability and lawlessness.

And Israeli forces turn a blind eye when these gangs are looting. Why would they do that?

At some point the truth about this genocide has to be faced.

sheshe2

(88,534 posts)
6. Actually I am.
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 07:51 PM
21 hrs ago

Per your post:

Ocha

Armed Palestinian gangs hijacked six fuel tankers entering from the Kerem Shalom crossing, leaving us hardly any fuel for aid operations.


PS: Would you mind posting a link to OCHA's statement in your post? I like to know the source and if anything else was said when statements are provided. TY in advance.

lapucelle

(19,639 posts)
7. Hamas is blaming the UN, and the UN is blaming Gazan civilians and Israel,
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 07:59 PM
21 hrs ago

yet absent Hamas starting a war, none of this would be happening.

It's so bizarre that it's never the terrorist's fault

AloeVera

(2,130 posts)
10. Israel is not entitled to starve people for what Hamas did.
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 10:53 PM
18 hrs ago

It's a thing in international law. It's called using food/starvation as a weapon of war. It's a war crime.

I don't find that law bizarre at all. It's basic humanity.

Beastly Boy

(11,473 posts)
13. Hamas is not entitled tu steal humanitarian aid intended for civilians.
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 09:44 AM
7 hrs ago

and using it as weapon of war. Billions stolen for decades, not counting last year.

Hamas did it, not Israel. It may be a war crime, but you will forgive me for not taking your word for it. It is up to ICJ and ICC to determine this.

And yes, it may sound bizarre, apparently less so for some than for others, but no one is entitled to blame Israel for Hamas crimes (hint, hint).

lapucelle

(19,639 posts)
14. Israel is not starving people.
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 10:42 AM
6 hrs ago

Hopefully, there will not be a flood of bias confirmation links blaming Israel for the fact that Hamas is looting and hijacking trucks and using aid convoys as human shields.

It's disgusting that Hamas blames the UN and the UN blames Gazan civilians and Israel.

AloeVera

(2,130 posts)
16. "Israel is not starving people"
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 02:38 PM
2 hrs ago
Access to North Gaza governorate, which has been under intensified siege since 6 October 2024, continues to be largely denied by the Israeli authorities. From 6 October to 31 December 2024, the UN attempted to reach the area 165 times, of which 149 attempts were denied and 16 were allowed to proceed but faced impediments. Coordinated aid missions to areas in the Rafah governorate, where there has been an ongoing Israeli military operation since early May, have faced similar challenges.

Snip

https://www.unocha.org/publications/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/humanitarian-situation-update-253-gaza-strip

As I've said elsewhere, I'm not interested in debating where there is no point.

That occurs when I see that a poster is not interested in facts or evidence, simply in pushing a false narrative.

btw you've outdone yourself with this one too:

Hopefully, there will not be a flood of bias confirmation links blaming Israel for the fact that Hamas is looting and hijacking trucks and using aid convoys as human shields.


Lol.

lapucelle

(19,639 posts)
17. The information you linked to does not blame Israel for food shortages and never mentions "starvation".
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 04:11 PM
1 hr ago

Other than at one specific crossing in the south, Israel is not mentioned relative to the flow of food aid. And while "food insecurity" is noted, your claim "starvation" is never mentioned.

Furthermore, there are "restrictions on official entry" of food supplies by some unnamed entity and looting of food supplies by some unnamed entity. It's a cleverly written press release, and I'm sure that some people jump to the conclusion that it is Israel imposing the restrictions. But if it were Israel, the press release would have said it was Israel. If Israel can be somehow blamed, the press release duly notes the claim.

That's how bias confirmation works; people make assumptions that support their bias.

And of course press people are very skilled at adding dense text in the hope that folks will not be willing to dig through it to find the facts.

Isn't it a shame that none of press releases mention the efforts of humanitarian agencies to contact, reach, or meet with hostages. I wonder why that is.





AloeVera

(2,130 posts)
9. Really?
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 10:36 PM
18 hrs ago

Sorry, I forgot the link. There's not much more there.
https://www.unocha.org/news/un-relief-chief-our-effort-save-lives-survivors-gaza-breaking-point

Though I've noted you seemed to only pay attention to what you wanted to. I gather my helpful bolding made no impression.

You are of course implying that the "armed Palestinian gangs" are Hamas. Hamas has done terrible things, but not everything can be blamed on them. Israel is simply keeping that narrative alive as it's very convenient and helps a lot to obfuscate and deflect from Israel's own responsibility.

And the responsibility for the starvation and deprivation - the absolute horrendous suffering - is squarely on Israel's shoulders. It devised a systematic, precise, multi-front operation to starve the Palestinians out of their homeland. The destruction of UNRWA was a large part of it.

But getting back to the "armed gangs". Who are they?

They are ARMED. They are GANGS. As in a collection of criminals. Once lawlessness takes hold, and food or anything else becomes scarce, they tend to form and thrive. Infuriatingly, there is evidence that these gangs are allowed to loot under the passive gaze of the IDF - within spitting distance of IDF tanks, as one UN person put it - or even with the IDF's protection.

Gaza is now in civil disorder and lawlessness. The police force is severely degraded. Policemen are being hunted down by the IDF - "Hamas", you know. The few remaining ones are now afraid to serve as security - as they had done before - since they are consistently being killed by the IDF when they do so.

Here is some more evidence of what is really happening in Gaza. It's from an NPR program.

AILSA CHANG, HOST:

The International Criminal Court issued arrest warrants today for Israel's prime minister and former defense minister. The court says that they have used starvation as a weapon of war against people in Gaza. Israel has called the allegations absurd and false, but aid groups say not enough food is being allowed into Gaza, and the little that does get in is often stolen. NPR's Aya Batrawy and Anas Baba examine a new danger compounding Gaza's misery - armed gangs.

snip

BATRAWY : The looters, some of them known criminals before the war, have become organized gangs, armed with assault rifles and knives. Nahed Shohaybr, head of Gaza's private transportation association, lost trucks in the most recent looting. Some of his drivers were hospitalized.

NAHED SHOHAYBR: (Non-English language spoken).

BATRAWY: He tells NPR over the phone, "Israel is protecting the gangs." He says, "Israel is trying to force Hamas to surrender by starving Gaza." Shohaybr has had four drivers killed by these gangs in recent months. The Washington Post and Financial Times reported this week on a leaked U.N. memo saying gangs may be benefiting from a passive, if not active, benevolence or protection from Israeli forces. Spokesman at the U.N. Stephane Dujarric had this to say.

(SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED RECORDING)

STEPHANE DUJARRIC: The reports - the idea that the Israeli forces may be allowing looters or not doing enough to prevent it is frankly fairly alarming, given the responsibilities of Israel as the occupying power to ensure that humanitarian aid is distributed safely.

BATRAWY: Israel's military did not answer NPR's questions on why it hasn't taken action against looting in areas of its control.

SHOHAYBR: (Non-English language spoken).

BATRAWY: Shohaybr says Gaza's civil police is able to provide protection to his drivers and the roads they take, but he notes Israel is killing police across Gaza. Israel says the police are part of Hamas, the group that attacked Israel last year and that the military is trying to eliminate. Israeli officials say any restrictions on aid are to prevent Hamas from benefiting, and that Hamas - whose leaders are also wanted by the International Criminal Court for war crimes - is behind the looting. But just days after the U.N. convoy was attacked, Hamas security forces killed around 20 of the suspected looters. Here's Dujarric of the U.N. again.

snip

Lots more at the link.
https://www.npr.org/2024/11/21/nx-s1-5196553/a-closer-look-at-how-armed-gangs-steal-tons-of-aid-in-gaza

This willful starvation of millions of people is just plain wrong and immoral. I really want to believe that if people knew what was really going on - regardless of where they stand on the conflict - they would want some intervention to stop this from continuing.

sheshe2

(88,534 posts)
11. Thanks for the link!
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 11:13 PM
18 hrs ago

It is always important to supply one to flesh out a short paragraph.

Though I've noted you seemed to only pay attention to what you wanted to. I gather my helpful bolding made no impression.


I only pay attention to what I want? Well perhaps you should not have included that in your post if you didn't want me to see it. It caught my eye and frankly it show us that armed Palestinians along with Hamas are the ones that are slowing the food distributions.

Ah, your helpful bolding helped a lot. Your bolding caught my eye again.
Here:
"Israeli forces are unable or unwilling to ensure the safety of our convoys."


So it comes down to Unable or Unwilling to ensure safety of the convoys, and What I highlighted before shows that in fact they are Unable since Armed troops are attacking the very convoys that are bringing in food.

From your link:

Armed Palestinian gangs hijacked six fuel tankers entering from the Kerem Shalom crossing, leaving us hardly any fuel for aid operations.


Sorry, it's getting late and I am tired. I will be back to address the rest of your comments tomorrow.

AloeVera

(2,130 posts)
12. I am tired too. But thank you.
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 11:25 PM
17 hrs ago

I go with unwilling. It doesn't make sense that the IDF would be afraid to take on a few armed men.

But the IDF attacks the convoys too. Here is another such incident from January 8th. It is a pattern. Why do they do it?

https://palestine.un.org/en/287056-un-world-food-programme-condemns-israeli-attack-aid-convoy

Good night.



lapucelle

(19,639 posts)
15. The UN blames armed gangs who may be Hamas terrorist affiliated or merely Gazan civilians.
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 10:50 AM
6 hrs ago

Meanwhile, Hamas terrorists blame the UN.

What a shit show. Hamas pointing fingers at the UN and the UN pointing fingers at civilians.

Let's put the blame where it belongs: on the authoritarian, theocratic, extremist government of terrorists that rules Gaza with an iron fist, Hamas.

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