No war on Israel, no nakba. p.s. what about the Jewish nakba, of 1 million middle eastern jews forcibly dispossessed of their homes?

Looks like the Israel haters want the Jews to apologize for not offering their necks to be slit.

Do you only allowing glowing puff pieces and complimentary praises?

But when you get down to the core of the anti-Israel position. Such as the Nakhba myth. Then yes. It's hate. The core of the Palestinian position is denial of the Jewish right to a state based on Arab/Muslim chauvinism and antisemitism. Why does the Left go along with that?

You must know that most of the world does not support your claims. Israel cannot be held blameless for its tyranny after decades of an unjustifiable occupation. We can object to the political rhetoric on both sides as the leaders are all self serving blowhards, but its the common man, the little people with nothing, that pay the price when the big dogs and potentates start wars from the safety of their protected bunkers. And for what purpose, what goal? How long is it now, 68 years of oppression, discrimination and injustice, and by any measurement that sure looks like hate on many levels.

But your disagreement is totally unjustified. Not by the evidence, not by morality and not by logic. But to stop talking in generalities, let's at least see where we agree and disagree. Let's start with the foundation issue.

The Jews of Palestine had a right to create their own state in at least some part of Palestine in 1947. Agree or disagree?

It seems to creep ever onward, acre by acre, do you suppose it will it stop at some point? Maybe then, the Palestinians can achieve their own rights, parity and equality.

Are you embarrassed to admit you believe Israel had no right to exist in the first place?

If I wasn't clear, and apparently forgot to add the appropriate praise, yes, shira, your Israel can have their very own state with pretty ribbons and bows, unicorns, cupcakes, fireworks and a parade. There, did I fulfill all of your demands now or must swear an affidavit, prostrate myself or perform some other ritual to pass inspection here?

That's the one thing that really matters, and the one thing that the Palestinians have never agreed to.

Without peace, everything else is just hot air.

In 1947, the Palestinians had the exclusive right to all of Palestine for their state. Agree or disagree?

Or you could answer my first question.

Or are you talking about something wholly special only attributed to that specific tribe?

First, I certainly didn't mean that the principle applies only to the Jews. In this case, it applies to the Palestinians as well. They are a separate people, they aren't a part of some higher sovereign, and they have a right to their own state. Also to the French, Americans, Japanese and any other existing sovereign nation. So if all you're concerned with is the I/P dispute, then it's a simple answer.

Where it gets tricky, is when you go beyond that and have multinational sovereigns like the UK, Spain, Yugoslavia, and the Soviet Union, where the component nation has a well defined territory. Do the Basque have the right to there own state independent of Spain? What about the Kurds in Iraq and Turkey? The UK allowed Scotland to vote on independence, but did the Scots have the right to independence even if the central government didn't want to grant it? Out there in the larger world there's a balance between national and sovereign rights, that isn't present in the I/P dispute. And what about very small tribes?

So the short answer is that the Palestinians, among others, have the right to a state, but I'm not sure that every group or tribe does.

That's laughable.

Most of the world had oppressed Jews forever.

There's only 12 Million Jews in the world as opposed to more than a Billion Muslims ....



Your claims are laughable.

And we mustn't forget America's perfidious sneak attack on the peace-loving Japanese forces at Pearl Harbor!!1!

Godspeed!

They can start by allowing all of the Silesian and Prussian Germans to return to their homes in what is now Poland. So what if that turns Poland into a German majority state. Justice for Germans!

Godspeed

I personally believe that all persons have the right to live in their ancestral homeland, and that includes Palestinians.

BTW, phrase "The bride is beautiful but she is married to another man." is often used, but it's not sure where it's from:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_bride_is_beautiful_but_she_is_married_to_another_man

is that the Palestinians and many Muslim and Arab countries (and apparently France) don't believe that the Levant is the ancestral homeland of Jews.

Denial of this historical fact and rampant antisemitism extends to the man on the street in the region all the way up to the United Nations. The recent UNESCO vote we've been discussing in other threads couldn't make this fact any clearer.

have no right to live there are wrong.

Do you believe that Jews and Palestinians have the right to live in their ancestral homeland?

and self-determination is a fundamental aspect today of much of the Muslim and Arab world (and not an insignificant number of people in the West, increasingly among the left, as the Labour Party in Britain or attacks against Jews in France attests).

You might believe these people are wrong, but these attitudes are facts, and cannot simply be hand-waved or wished away. Many of the "peace plans" basically demand Israelis to take ever increasing risks to the personal safety on a world you would like, not the world as it is.

Jews were left to the tender mercies of outsiders far too many times throughout history, with the Shoah as just one particularly horrible and recent example. If you want Israelis and the wider Jewish diaspora to take risks for peace, a whole lot more needs to change.

commemorate the events without government harassment?

‘Nakba law’ passes vote in Knesset committee
Source: Jerusalem Post, 03/15/2011
(snip)

....killing 1% of the population. No attempt to massacre Jews, no Nakba.

Israel's no more responsible than Czechoslovakia for Sudetenland German refugees.

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Reminds me of civilian deaths in Gaza when they're used as human shields by Hamas.

Hamas bears all that responsibility as well, not Israel.

For example,

Sholmo Ben Ami the former Foreign Minister of Israel said the Palestinians were in a state of terror and panic and were uprooted under the impact of massacres and atrocities perpetrated by the Israeli Army.

Have a read here @

http://zochrot.org/

Yes, there were Palestinian Arabs driven out by Israeli forces.

There were also those driven out because they simply feared fighting.

And there were those who were told to evacuate before the fighting started, that they'd be protected by Arab forces, their lands liberated, and the common folk would be able to return shortly.

When there's a confrontation--"all the Palestinians were driven out by Israeli forces"--you're often forced into a corner and to make extreme statements to keep it simple. "Some were" would be an admission of guilt, of responsibility, and all listening to the end of the sentence, "... but most weren't" would cease. Eventually you believe the absolutist statements because, well, it's better to be innocent than partly guilty.

It would have been best not to have been confronted with a false accusation, but that's not how some cultures work. Better a strong offense and absolute denial of any wrong-doing than to consider the facts.