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Mosby

(17,637 posts)
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 12:06 PM Apr 2016

The Temple Mount - Radical Islam’s twisted trump card in their holy war against Israel

-snip-

In many ways, the Temple Mount has been subjected to the greatest kidnapping and ransom in Jewish history.

And despite being the crown jewel of Judaism, there is a very simple and practical reason why the government gave Jordan’s Wakf Islamic trust custodianship after seizing it in 1967 during the Six Day War: If it had not, the war would have never ended, and countless more Muslim soldiers would have attempted to annihilate the people of Israel.

Like it or not, that logic still holds true.

Moreover, what many people forget about the now seven-month terrorist wave that has engulfed the capital, and the country, is that its catalyst was the government barring two Islamic Movement Northern Branch hate groups, the Murabitun (for men) and the Murabitat (for women), from the site last September to stop their chronic attacks against Jewish visitors.

Since then, Palestinian leadership and media have recklessly colluded to manipulate the groups’ expulsion from the site to proliferate the deadly and patently false narrative that Jews intend to seize and destroy al-Aksa, which has fueled what many are now deeming to be a third intifada.

It is this unconscionably irresponsible and fallacious claim that has driven Arab children as young as 10 to attempted murder and other predatory behaviors against Jews throughout the country.

-snip-

And while the world does not understand the lengths Israelis continue to go to make peace with an enemy that does not recognize their right to exist – including making concessions that no other nation would – it remains an existential necessity to accept such concessions as a bitter reality to save innocent lives.

Even if it is profoundly unjust.

http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Comment-The-Temple-Mount-Radical-Islams-twisted-trump-card-in-their-holy-war-against-Israel-452557

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The Temple Mount - Radical Islam’s twisted trump card in their holy war against Israel (Original Post) Mosby Apr 2016 OP
" ....the deadly and patently false narrative that Jews intend to seize and destroy al-Aksa " Israeli Apr 2016 #1
Accusing Jews in general of things that only a tiny minority of extremists do.... shira Apr 2016 #2
I can't believe you compare leftynyc Apr 2016 #4
I cant believe you overlooked this ...... Israeli Apr 2016 #5
Awwwww leftynyc Apr 2016 #6
Huh ? Israeli Apr 2016 #7
Playing coy now? Since when do a few extremist Jews represent Jews in general? shira Apr 2016 #10
Netanyahu happens to be a good friend of Yehuda Glick, who is also a potential Likud Knesset Knesset Little Tich Apr 2016 #9
So what has changed? You accuse Israel of trying to change the status quo. shira Apr 2016 #11
I still remember in October leftynyc Apr 2016 #3
Al Aqsa is literally a monument to imperialism Albertoo May 2016 #31
I didn't know that leftynyc May 2016 #32
al Aqsa mosque was rebuilt a few times. Albertoo May 2016 #36
The OP conveniently forgets that the cause of the current violence resulted from Israeli attempts to Little Tich Apr 2016 #8
A new bill proposed? Holy fucking shit! Damned democracies! Now tell me, did it pass? n/t shira Apr 2016 #12
Do you think that there isn't any possibility whatsoever that the Knesset would pass a bill that Little Tich Apr 2016 #13
No possibility, as it would violate terms with Jordan. shira May 2016 #15
It's fascinating how we can draw opposite conclusions from the same evidence. n/t Little Tich May 2016 #18
This is about your false claim of Israel changing the status quo. When that happens.... shira May 2016 #21
You want to complain about BILLS that leftynyc May 2016 #14
The hypocrisy is just unreal, isn't it? n/t shira May 2016 #16
I don't mind people leftynyc May 2016 #17
I'm not sure what the fuss is all about. Little Tich May 2016 #19
FINALLY leftynyc May 2016 #20
So the "al Buraq plaza" is the correct name then? n/t Little Tich May 2016 #30
LOL - no leftynyc May 2016 #35
The fuss is that you support Muslims discrimination vs. Jews @ their holiest site. shira May 2016 #44
This Irish Atheist says demolish the damned mosque and build the temple The Green Manalishi May 2016 #22
the temple mount is 27 acres Mosby May 2016 #23
yep. The Green Manalishi May 2016 #24
When was Mecca ever a Jewish Holy Site? aranthus May 2016 #25
Tit for tat. The Green Manalishi May 2016 #26
That's just silly. aranthus May 2016 #27
Well, I think *all* religions are silly, and NONE of them should have exclusivity The Green Manalishi May 2016 #28
The fact that you don't respect religions at all disqualifies you from the discussion. n/t aranthus May 2016 #29
Then flag my post or report me to the Admin The Green Manalishi May 2016 #34
I didn't say you did anything wrong. aranthus May 2016 #38
Actually, I am only trying to be respectful of something I hold in contempt (religion) The Green Manalishi May 2016 #45
They have control over the Temple Mount leftynyc May 2016 #40
They should take it back. EOM The Green Manalishi May 2016 #46
Wait a minute leftynyc May 2016 #33
I'm concerned about overt religious display aranthus May 2016 #37
I agree about the Temple Mount leftynyc May 2016 #39
On that we agree. aranthus May 2016 #41
Yes it is leftynyc May 2016 #42
The Israel haters don't just shy away from this topic... shira May 2016 #47
On that we agree. And sorry The Green Manalishi May 2016 #43
No worries leftynyc May 2016 #48
Actually I was apologizing to the other guy The Green Manalishi May 2016 #49

Israeli

(4,310 posts)
1. " ....the deadly and patently false narrative that Jews intend to seize and destroy al-Aksa "
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 04:51 AM
Apr 2016

I wonder where they got that idea from ??

Could it be from .....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1134127509

or ....

Temple Institute claims it held secret Jewish wedding on Temple Mount
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4790850,00.html

or ...

WATCH: Clashes break out on Temple Mount after Jews bow down
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4796408,00.html

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
2. Accusing Jews in general of things that only a tiny minority of extremists do....
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 05:03 AM
Apr 2016

....is pure anti-semitism, just as racist and bigoted as accusing Muslims of being terrorists.

"Hmmm....I wonder where they got the idea that Muslims are terrorists"?

Way to go.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
4. I can't believe you compare
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 08:01 AM
Apr 2016

a couple secretly marrying on the mount with intention to seize the entire mount. That's thoroughly dishonest. Where was your outrage when UNESCO tried to make the Western Wall part of Al Asqa? So egregious the Secretary General of the UN had to make an emergency visit to Israel to stop that vote.

Israeli

(4,310 posts)
5. I cant believe you overlooked this ......
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:01 AM
Apr 2016


Organization aimed at establishing Third Temple says groom made wedding vows as one of the wedding's witnesses distracted police and Waqf; unusual event could reignite violence at the sensitive holy site and elsewhere.

The Temple Institute, an organization whose self-declared goal is to "establish the Third Temple," claimed on Tuesday evening that it held a secret Jewish wedding on the Temple Mount in what could reignite hostilities at the sensitive holy site and elsewhere.
 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
6. Awwwww
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:16 AM
Apr 2016

that's adorable. Pretending this group in any way represents the Israeli government. More dishonesty.

Israeli

(4,310 posts)
7. Huh ?
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:26 AM
Apr 2016

Its from the same link I posted before ....the one you obviously did not read .

Here you want it in full ....you got it :

Temple Institute claims it held secret Jewish wedding on Temple Mount

Organization aimed at establishing Third Temple says groom made wedding vows as one of the wedding's witnesses distracted police and Waqf; unusual event could reignite violence at the sensitive holy site and elsewhere.

Roi Yanovsky, Kobi Nachshoni
Published: 04.13.16, 00:33 / Israel News

The Temple Institute, an organization whose self-declared goal is to "establish the Third Temple," claimed on Tuesday evening that it held a secret Jewish wedding on the Temple Mount in what could reignite hostilities at the sensitive holy site and elsewhere.

A post on the Temple Institute's Facebook page claims that Rabbi Chaim Richman, who manages the institute's international activity, accepted a request by a couple who asked him to marry them at the holy site after examining the halacha and consulting with other adjudicators.

The institute said the wedding ceremony on the Temple Mount is a great achievement "in light of the Waqf and the police's anti-Jewish discrimination, which rejects any Jewish expression at the holy site."

According to the institute, the couple met with the rabbi several days ago in Jerusalem's Old City, where the blessing over the wine was made.

The institute claims the bride and groom, the rabbi and witnesses met at the entrance to the Temple Mount compound.

While walking along the Temple Mount's eastern perimeter and making sure neither the police nor the Waqf's men noticed what they were doing, the groom recited the declaration: "Behold, you are consecrated to me with this ring according to the law of Moses and Israel" and put a ring on his bride's finger while the witnesses looked on.

The institute claims that moment was documented, but the couple has asked that the video is not released in full. Instead, the institute posted photos of the married couple's ringed-fingers without exposing their identity.

"The ancient custom of brides and grooms arriving at the Temple Mount separately on their wedding day has been upheld in recent years, but an actual wedding on the Temple Mount is a unique event in history, since the Temple's destruction 2,000 years ago," the institute said.

A man who was involved in the planning of the secret ceremony claimed it happened last week. "A group of 13 Jews went on the Temple Mount. One of them caused a diversion to make the police and the Waqf look towards the Dome of the Rock. Then, while another person was hiding the couple, the vows were made."

He said all those involved were asked to keep the ceremony a secret.

The Headquarters of Temple Organizations said they "congratulate the new couple for their marriage on the holy mountain. There's no place like that place to start a life of holiness. However, it is very regretful that such an act has become rare due to the authorities' illegal policy of discrimination on the Temple Mount, which forbids any Jewish expression at the site."

This is an unusual event in the volatile area, known to Muslims as the Noble Sanctuary and to Jews as Temple Mount, where Jews are not allowed to pray.

The status quo on the Temple Mount upholds a rule that has effectively existed since 1187, when Muslim warrior Saladin defeated the Christian crusaders and held on to Jerusalem: non-Muslims may enter the sacred compound, but only Muslims can pray.

Before Muslims built the Dome of the Rock and the Aqsa mosque in the late 7th and early 8th centuries, two Jewish temples, the second destroyed by the Romans in 70 AD, stood at the site, which is both the holiest place in Islam outside Saudi Arabia and the most sacred place in Judaism.

After Israel captured the Old City and East Jerusalem in the 1967Six-Day War, it agreed to continue the status quo, recognizing the risks of igniting a religious war if anything were changed. It gave Jordan special responsibility for overseeing the Muslim holy sites via the Waqf, an Islamic trust.

That agreement was reinforced when Israel signed a peace treaty with Jordan in 1994. There have been many periods of friction over the years, but to all intents and purposes, the status quo has held.

Over the last decade or so, since then-opposition leader Ariel Sharon visited the site in 2000, the Waqf says Israel has been slowly chipping away at the rules, with increasing numbers of religious Jews visiting the area and many of them surreptitiously praying.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has rejected those suggestions, saying repeatedly that the government has not changed the rules and has no intention of doing so.

Meanwhile, every week, police detains and at times also arrests right-wing activists on suspicion of praying or violating the rules in another manner.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4790850,00.html

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
10. Playing coy now? Since when do a few extremist Jews represent Jews in general?
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 11:19 AM
Apr 2016

You're accusing the Jews of ill intent, just like Hamas & the PLO do when they incite Jew hatred.

Is it deliberate?

Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
9. Netanyahu happens to be a good friend of Yehuda Glick, who is also a potential Likud Knesset Knesset
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 11:18 PM
Apr 2016

member.

Netanyahu agrees things must change on Temple Mount, says Likud activist
Source: Times of Israel, September 1, 2015
(snip)

On August 19, Glick met with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu for a one-on-one meeting that lasted over half an hour to discuss the situation on Temple Mount, as well as Glick’s own political aspirations. At the meeting, he said, Netanyahu was not only “warm and understanding,” but also politically supportive of Glick’s cause.



Read more: http://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-agrees-things-must-change-at-temple-mount-says-likud-activist/
 

shira

(30,109 posts)
11. So what has changed? You accuse Israel of trying to change the status quo.
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 11:20 AM
Apr 2016

Show me evidence Israel is violating terms it agreed to with Jordan in 1994.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
3. I still remember in October
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 07:59 AM
Apr 2016

when the loathsome UNESCO tried to have a vote to make the Western Wall part of Al Asqa - completely annihilating Jewish history from the site. I understand why they gave control to Palestinians but the Palestinians have been beating them over the head with it ever since. Disgusting. Could you imagine the howls if Israel stopped them from praying at one of their religious shrines? It's why I cheered LOUDLY when I read about the Jewish couple marrying on the mount.

http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Second-Jewish-marriage-ceremony-in-2000-years-purportedly-held-on-Temple-Mount-451156

 

Albertoo

(2,016 posts)
31. Al Aqsa is literally a monument to imperialism
Wed May 4, 2016, 01:21 AM
May 2016

There was no other reason for the Caliphs to build a mosque exactly on the Temple Mount.
Especially since the Niraj narrative was invented to justify that very mosque.

PS: like all early mosques, the original al Aqsa was not facing Mecca, but Petra.
So much for the consistency of Islam

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
32. I didn't know that
Wed May 4, 2016, 04:03 AM
May 2016

about it not facing Mecca. When I was in Israel, I never visited the Mount. I didn't want anyone to mistake me resting my eyes for praying and getting attacked or stoned to death for it.

 

Albertoo

(2,016 posts)
36. al Aqsa mosque was rebuilt a few times.
Wed May 4, 2016, 11:15 AM
May 2016

So its qibla now faces Mecca.
Unlike all the mosques built in the first 100 years of Islam, the first al Aqsa included.

Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
8. The OP conveniently forgets that the cause of the current violence resulted from Israeli attempts to
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 11:06 PM
Apr 2016

change the status quo on the Temple Mount.

New bill would allow Jews to pray at Temple Mount
Source: Times of Israel, May 19, 2014

Likud, Labor lawmakers behind controversial initiative; regulations currently permit only Muslim worship in compound

Read more: http://www.timesofisrael.com/mks-propose-law-allowing-jews-to-pray-at-temple-mount/


Jordan Asks Israel for Clarifications Over Temple Mount Bill
Source: Haaretz, Oct 21, 2014
Bill seeks to change status quo at the Jerusalem holy site, asks to allow Jews to pray there; Arab media reports bill will come to a vote next month.

read more: http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.622031
http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.622031


MK Moalem-Refaeli not deterred after assault by Muslim woman on Temple Mount
Source: Jerusalem Post, 11/03/2014
Bayit Yehudi lawmaker says she has a responsibility to visit holy site as often as possible and fight for Jews' right to pray there.

http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/WATCH-Police-arrest-woman-for-pushing-Bayit-Yehudi-MK-Moalem-at-Temple-Mount-380624


Riots in Jerusalem as Chief Rabbi urges Jews not to enter Temple Mount
Source: YNETnews, 11.07.14
'We need to stop this, only then will the people of Israel's blood not be spilt,' Chief Rabbi Yitzhak Yosef says at terror victim's funeral, riots begin in capital.

Read more: http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4589239,00.html
 

shira

(30,109 posts)
12. A new bill proposed? Holy fucking shit! Damned democracies! Now tell me, did it pass? n/t
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 11:22 AM
Apr 2016

Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
13. Do you think that there isn't any possibility whatsoever that the Knesset would pass a bill that
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 10:35 PM
Apr 2016

would allow Jews to pray on the Temple Mount, simply because it's just a minority who would support such a crazy thing?

I believe that there's support in Israel for allowing Jews to pray on the Temple Mount, and that there's widespread support in the Knesset for a bill allowing it.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
15. No possibility, as it would violate terms with Jordan.
Mon May 2, 2016, 12:10 PM
May 2016

You made a false claim about Israel trying to change the status quo at the Mount.

Acknowledge it, move on.

Admit your sources suck.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
21. This is about your false claim of Israel changing the status quo. When that happens....
Tue May 3, 2016, 05:24 AM
May 2016

....you let us know, okay?

What made you make such a false claim when nothing of the sort has happened?

Why are you accusing Israel of something they haven't done?

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
14. You want to complain about BILLS that
Mon May 2, 2016, 08:17 AM
May 2016

haven't passed? Let's again discuss the UNESCO vote to make the Western Wall part of Al Asqa compound. It took some very fancy footwork to get the Palestinians to pull that piece of shit bill trying to de-Jew the Temple Mount. But I see "Mr. Neutral" didn't have anything to say at the time and still has nothing to say about it. Just imagine how loud the howls would be if the Israeli's kept the Muslims from merely praying at any of their holy sites as the Jews are forbidden to pray on the Temple Mount. Show some fucking neutrality for a change.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
17. I don't mind people
Mon May 2, 2016, 12:16 PM
May 2016

"taking sides". Everyone has their own minds and worldview. It's the ones that pretend to be neutral but prove themselves to be anything but and slide in a hurry to sniveling hypocrisy.

Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
19. I'm not sure what the fuss is all about.
Tue May 3, 2016, 03:06 AM
May 2016

The occupying power has no right to change any names, and if you can prove that the name Buraq Wall is an invention, and not what it was called before East Jerusalem was occupied by Jordan, you might have a point.

It's worth noting that the Plaza was once a thriving neighborhood, but Israel decided to flatten it completely, including a Saladin era Mosque, the Sheikh Eid Mosque.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
20. FINALLY
Tue May 3, 2016, 04:28 AM
May 2016

I knew if we waited long enough, you wouldn't be able to keep up that bullshit "neutrality" you're so fond of pushing. It took long enough for you to show your true colors but here they are. Take a look at how Jordan treated the Western Wall when it was under their power, when Jews were FORBIDDEN to even visit let alone pray there. It wasn't a thriving neighborhood - they treated it like a garbage dump. Funny how you only want to discuss one side of the history. And by funny, I mean pathetically predictable from someone who was only pretending neutrality.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
35. LOL - no
Wed May 4, 2016, 11:04 AM
May 2016

If we're going with what was built there first - it's still the only surviving wall of a JEWISH temple. I don't give a shit what the Jordanians call it.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
44. The fuss is that you support Muslims discrimination vs. Jews @ their holiest site.
Wed May 4, 2016, 12:17 PM
May 2016

That's the very same bigotry and hatred that kept all Jews out of E.Jerusalem 1949-67.

You know, before the occupation.......too bad you can't use that excuse for Jordan's discrimination vs. Jews.

Your defense of antisemitism is pathetic, really. You're playing tit-for-tat, imagining that because Israel bans Muslims & Christians from their holy sites (which they do not) then it's okay for Muslims to do that to Jews.

What do you think you're defending and justifying?

Acknowledge UNESCO's recent resolutions are antisemitism in its purest form (denying any mention of Jews and their history with the Temple Mount) and move on. Why defend the indefensible?

The Green Manalishi

(1,054 posts)
22. This Irish Atheist says demolish the damned mosque and build the temple
Tue May 3, 2016, 12:49 PM
May 2016

At the very least, let no Muslims pray there until Jews and Christians can pray in Mecca.

Mosby

(17,637 posts)
23. the temple mount is 27 acres
Tue May 3, 2016, 12:53 PM
May 2016

There is plenty of room for alaksa, the dome of the rock and a small synagogue.

Nothing needs to be demolished IMO.

The Green Manalishi

(1,054 posts)
24. yep.
Tue May 3, 2016, 01:05 PM
May 2016

Just as soon as the Muslims let Jews pray in Mecca then Muslims should be allowed to pray at the temple mount. Not until.

It is ridiculous the degree to which allegedly 'progressive' people give a pass to Islam. I don't care for any of it, but everybody should be able to pray anywhere.

aranthus

(3,386 posts)
25. When was Mecca ever a Jewish Holy Site?
Tue May 3, 2016, 02:26 PM
May 2016

The reason Jews should be able to pray on the Temple Mount is because it is a Jewish Holy Place in addition to being a Muslim Holy site. What rational connection is there between that and Mecca?

The Green Manalishi

(1,054 posts)
26. Tit for tat.
Tue May 3, 2016, 03:05 PM
May 2016

Why *shouldn't* Jews be able to pray there? Why does Islam get special privileges. Anyone should be able to pray in ANY city they want.

Are you are saying is that Muslims get to practice religious intolerance but no one else?

Article 2

1. No one shall be subject to discrimination by any State,
institution, group of persons, or person on grounds of religion or
other beliefs.

A/RES/36/55
25 November 1981

Declaration on the Elimination of All Forms of Intolerance and of
Discrimination Based on Religion or Belief

The General Assembly,


Or do you mean that UN resolutions only apply when they slam the Jews? I

aranthus

(3,386 posts)
27. That's just silly.
Tue May 3, 2016, 03:24 PM
May 2016

Tit for tat is no moral or responsible way to approach any dispute. What I am saying is that I don't have any problem with exclusively Muslim holy sites (such as Mecca) being exclusively Muslim. I don't think Muslims should be allowed to pray in St. Peters or in synagogues. Religions are allowed to have their exclusive places. They just aren't allowed to make exclusive that which is not (such as the Temple Mount). As for the UN. UN Resolutions do not apply to anyone with any sense. General Assembly Resolutions have no moral or legal authority whatsoever.

The Green Manalishi

(1,054 posts)
28. Well, I think *all* religions are silly, and NONE of them should have exclusivity
Tue May 3, 2016, 04:58 PM
May 2016

Muslims should be able to pray in St Peter's square and Jews should be allowed to pray in Mecca. It's all just varying forms of mental illness as far as I am concerned, but the amount of slack that supposed progressives cut for the misogynist and homophobic religion of Islam is disgusting.

The Green Manalishi

(1,054 posts)
34. Then flag my post or report me to the Admin
Wed May 4, 2016, 08:39 AM
May 2016

Your idiotic ass kissing of a religion that oppresses GLBT and women a disqualifies you just as much if not more.

The problem is that the Muslims want to claim exclusivity to something that they have no more right to do so than the Jews or Christians. The only reason they have any claim to any part of Jerusalem is that they used force to capture it.

The Muslims already have their holy cities Mecca and Medina, I hope Israel clears the whole area and builds a temple , hell, I'll go and help just to piss people like you off.

aranthus

(3,386 posts)
38. I didn't say you did anything wrong.
Wed May 4, 2016, 11:30 AM
May 2016

It's just that your position is irrelevant. The discussion presumes that peoples' religious beliefs are entitled to respect. Otherwise there is no basis for allowing anyone to pray anywhere.

That you are reduced to smearing me as an ass kisser is telling. Have a nice day.

The Green Manalishi

(1,054 posts)
45. Actually, I am only trying to be respectful of something I hold in contempt (religion)
Wed May 4, 2016, 12:18 PM
May 2016

However MY beliefs on religion have exactly ZERO to do with the relative validity of my posts or positions. In other words, I apologize for calling you an ass kisser, but you are completely wrong if you think my opinion is any less valid than yours or that of any god botherer.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
40. They have control over the Temple Mount
Wed May 4, 2016, 11:40 AM
May 2016

because Israel GAVE it to them to control - in just another laughingly naive bid to keep the "peace". Huge mistake. Once again Israel unilaterally takes steps to try and appease and it comes back to bite them on the ass.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
33. Wait a minute
Wed May 4, 2016, 04:08 AM
May 2016

You don't think Muslims should be ALLOWED to pray in church? You would forbid them, as Muslims do for anyone but Muslims on the Mount? I think anyone should be allowed to pray anywhere they wish - no exceptions. That's why what the Muslims have done to the Mount makes me want to barf.

aranthus

(3,386 posts)
37. I'm concerned about overt religious display
Wed May 4, 2016, 11:28 AM
May 2016

I think when you walk into someone else's house of worship you are entering their house. It's like going to someone else's country. Be respectful. If someone wants to go into a synagogue and pray silently, that should not be a problem. But Muslim prayer involving putting down a prayer rug and bowing toward Mecca strikes me as a disrespectful, and aggressive appropriation of someone else's exclusive space. I think it would be appropriate to ask that person to stop.

The Temple Mount is not exclusively a Muslim Holy Place. Everyone should be allowed to pray there.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
39. I agree about the Temple Mount
Wed May 4, 2016, 11:37 AM
May 2016

Huge mistake for Israel to hand control over to the Muslims on that. Their actions prove me right. I wasn't even talking about overt displays of prayers - just me closing my eyes on the Temple Mount could get me attacked or arrested if it were mistaken for prayer. That's repulsive to me.

aranthus

(3,386 posts)
41. On that we agree.
Wed May 4, 2016, 11:51 AM
May 2016

I would go further and say that Jews should be able to pray on the Mount any way that want. The place is at least as much a Jewish Holy site as it is Muslim.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
42. Yes it is
Wed May 4, 2016, 11:55 AM
May 2016

And to Christians as well. The pro-P people shy away from this topic like crosses to a vampire. They know they don't have a leg to stand on.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
47. The Israel haters don't just shy away from this topic...
Wed May 4, 2016, 12:24 PM
May 2016

....but any topic on I/P proving how hateful their movement is.

The only times they chime in is to defend antisemites or deflect to something else.

There's no condemnation of Jew hatred.

The Green Manalishi

(1,054 posts)
43. On that we agree. And sorry
Wed May 4, 2016, 12:15 PM
May 2016

I apologize for any nasty comments upthread. We are in agreement and it's probably a lack of my reading comprension.

Anyone who thinks Jews shouldn't be allowed to pray on the temple mount, now *THAT* is someone kissing Islam's ass.

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