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TexasTowelie

(125,507 posts)
Tue Jan 6, 2026, 06:29 PM Tuesday

The world owes $345 trillion (but who truly holds the debt?) - CaspianReport



Summary of Global Debt System

This excerpt explains how the modern global debt system evolved and operates as a self-perpetuating cycle where nations essentially owe money to themselves and each other.

Key Historical Points:
- 1971: Nixon ended dollar-to-gold conversion, creating pure fiat currency
- Result: Global debt exploded from billions to $345 trillion today (3x global GDP)
- Origins: System traces back to 1694 Bank of England, which pioneered government bonds

How the System Works:
- "70% of US debt" is owed to Americans themselves through banks, pension funds, and institutions
- Banks use deposits to buy government bonds, creating a closed loop
- Countries borrow from each other in interconnected webs (Japan → Saudi Arabia → Brazil → US)
- Governments must continuously borrow more to repay old debts

Why Debt Persists:
- Economic growth depends on it - borrowing fuels spending, which drives business and employment
- Stopping would cause immediate economic collapse
- COVID-19 example: US borrowed $3.1 trillion in 2020 to prevent economic shutdown

The Risks:
- Rising interest payments consume more of national budgets
- Inflation from printing money to cover debts (Zimbabwe's extreme case in 2008)
- Developing nations face debt traps with higher borrowing costs
- Perception-driven: System works only as long as lenders remain confident

The fundamental conclusion: debt is no longer an economic tool but "the foundation of the entire system" itself—a perpetual motion machine that defies economic sustainability.
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The world owes $345 trillion (but who truly holds the debt?) - CaspianReport (Original Post) TexasTowelie Tuesday OP
Good summary and correct bottom line IMHO. Question is when does the music stop? dutch777 Tuesday #1
Wait a minute Farmer-Rick Tuesday #2
The Federal Govt is a Scorekeeper CarlitosMMT Tuesday #3

Farmer-Rick

(12,480 posts)
2. Wait a minute
Tue Jan 6, 2026, 06:58 PM
Tuesday

Then there is no need for our tax dollars?

I think there is a piece missing. Who in the US can lend such large amounts of money to the government? Well another government that takes their citizen's taxes probably could loan large amounts. Not you and me. I don't own bonds, or pension funds or institutions.

The filthy-rich are the ones who loan money to the government because they are taxed at such impossibly low levels. Each tax cut adds more money to the filthy-rich's coffers and pushes the tax burden further onto the middle class and poor. Now governments have to keep borrowing because they aren't taxing the people with all the money.

So the filthy-rich get tax cuts, loan that money that would have been tax money to their governments, then get interest on what should have been paid out in taxes. It's a win win for the filthy-rich. It's a lose lose for everyone else.

CarlitosMMT

(54 posts)
3. The Federal Govt is a Scorekeeper
Tue Jan 6, 2026, 07:49 PM
Tuesday

The funds to pay taxes and buy govt securities come from govt spending (or lending which is a subset of spending but to acquire financial assets).

“Govt debt” is akin to a savings account at the Fed, as the Fed is the U.S. Treasury’s fiscal agent.

On the gold standard, govt securities functioned to delay convertibility, with the yields a function of what it takes to get someone with a dollar to not demand gold with it.

Today govt securities are a relic, and previous to interest on reserves (banks’ checking accounts at the Fed) the only tool available to pay interest to set positive interest rates.

If we allowed the Treasury to overdraft at the Fed, there would be no reason to issue govt securities.

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