Environment & Energy
Related: About this forumNature Review: The Dark Side of "Green" Technology.
This came in on one of my Nature news feeds.
It's kind of doublespeak that we still call this stuff "green," but that's how it's done, right up to now. Bad habits can be hard to break.
The review:
BOOK REVIEW
09 February 2026
The dark side of green technology: what do electric vehicles really cost?
A powerful book reveals the corrupt deals and human exploitation behind the global scramble for strategic metals.
By Chris Stokel-Walker
A picture from the article (which is not open sourced, but to which I have access through my subscriptions):

The caption:
The book reviewed is this one: The Elements of Power: A Story of War, Technology, and the Dirtiest Supply Chain on Earth Nicolas Niarchos, Penguin & William Collins (2026)
Some excerpts from the review:
Climate change is devastating mining of minerals needed to fight it...
I find the last sentence in the excerpt highly misleading. The idea that so called "renewable energy" has anything to do with fighting the collapse of the planetary atmosphere is a popular item of chanting, but the experimental results of the multi-trillion dollar effort to tear the guts out of the planet for an affectation are clear: The use of fossil fuels is higher than ever; the rate of the accumulation of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is accelerating with positive first, second and third derivatives, and, oh yeah, the planet is burning.
The piling on of thermodynamic nonsense that storing energy is "green" should be obvious to a first year STEM college student, if not to a high school senior. Storing energy wastes energy. It's a law of physics.
An excerpt from further down in the from the review:
Niarchos comes to a dramatic conclusion about the nation he had spent four years reporting on while trying desperately to convince his jailers that he is, in fact, a journalist and not a spy. People had been gaslit, lied to, and repressed for so long that their senses of reality had been irretrievably warped, he writes...
One can still hear here that energy storage makes so called "renewable energy" viable. There is no evidence of this; wind and solar remain, after decades of hype and the expenditures of vast amounts of money, trivial forms of energy, producing just 18 Exajoules of energy (as of 2024) combined out of a world energy demand in 2024 of 654 Exajoules, with 519 (79.4% in "percent talk ) coming from fossil fuels. The purpose of the affectation about so called "renewable energy" was nothing more than to attack nuclear energy (31 Exajoules in a climate of vilification.)
Don't worry though. Be happy. An "I'm not an antinuke" antinuke informed me just yesterday that soon they'll be building fusion reactors in New York
One hears these things, and one doesn't really want to believe it.
New York is the place where the viable Indian Point nuclear plant was shut for some reason or another, raising the carbon intensity of that State's electricity, which over the last 12 months 352 grams of CO2 per kWh, 110% higher than that of France (30 grams of CO2 per kWh. France, of course, generates almost all of its electricity using fission reactors with a spectacularly low loss of life to pollution from electrical power generation.
(The figures are available at the Electricity Map.)
I really think that people should stop writing articles about the tragedy or the reactionary affectation for so called "renewable energy" that call it "green" energy. It isn't "green." It isn't sustainable. It's not even "renewable." And given the Moss Landing fires which risked hydrofluoric acid generation in the world's largest battery facility, one should question whether if and when so called "renewable energy" ever approaches a scale that matters, if it will be safe. (Not to worry, the world will probably run out of cobalt to dig before that happens.)
Have a nice day tomorrow.
NNadir
(37,683 posts)...reflecting on how smug clueless Westerners like to export environmental tragedy and dump it on poor people.
Being what many in the West (and China) define as "green" is no such thing. It's unsustainable economic Imperialism writ large.
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(1,411 posts)"The piling on of thermodynamic nonsense that storing energy is "green" should be obvious to a first year STEM college student, if not to a high school senior. Storing energy wastes energy. It's a law of physics."
Since renewable energy is clean and free, and does not require mining extraction or waste storage, it's fine to collect a great amount of energy and store some of that energy as needed. There will be some energy loss, but that's okay if the engineering solution accounts for it. This should be obvious to a first year Engineering student.
And the storage solution does not exclusively have to be battery storage. Hydrogen is a better solution for industrial scale use and transportation.
The commenter showed a photo that looks like some kind of mining operation. No mention of the legacy of Uranium mining.