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From the archives: Jimmy Carter installs solar panels on White House roof (Original Post) OKIsItJustMe Aug 2024 OP
President Carter walked the talk. I came of political age under him. mjvpi Aug 2024 #1
One of Reagan-Bush's 1st acts upon winning the Presidency - OAITW r.2.0 Aug 2024 #2
Like Gold Kid Berwyn Aug 2024 #4
Thanks for posting. I always wonder, how well did the Bush family do, $-wise, after GW Bush became President? OAITW r.2.0 Aug 2024 #11
NREL: Laboratory History OKIsItJustMe Aug 2024 #5
We had a unique opportunity under Jimmy. I guy that understood energy at a deeper level than 99% of the people. OAITW r.2.0 Aug 2024 #10
So ahead of his time and on point. Bristlecone Aug 2024 #3
A man with a vision OKIsItJustMe Aug 2024 #6
Fuck Reagan! joanbarnes Aug 2024 #7
A former co-worker would add... OKIsItJustMe Aug 2024 #8
Carter had vision Woodwizard Aug 2024 #9
White House Solar Panel Dedication OKIsItJustMe Jan 1 #12
It was cute, but meaningless. I loved Jimmy Carter, the man, and I voted for him to be President twice... NNadir Jan 1 #13

mjvpi

(1,577 posts)
1. President Carter walked the talk. I came of political age under him.
Sat Aug 31, 2024, 10:55 AM
Aug 2024

He taught me to spot the spiritual underneath all that religion. I cannot help but wonder how much different the climate crisis would had Carter beaten Reagan.

OAITW r.2.0

(28,896 posts)
2. One of Reagan-Bush's 1st acts upon winning the Presidency -
Sat Aug 31, 2024, 11:12 AM
Aug 2024

(1) Remove the solar panels from the WH and
(2) Boot the Dept of Energy position out of the Cabinet

Gee, I wonder who pushed for these 2 actions to happen?

Kid Berwyn

(18,596 posts)
4. Like Gold
Sat Aug 31, 2024, 11:19 AM
Aug 2024


How a Deep State Plot Sank Jimmy Carter

PETER DALE SCOTT
WhoWhatWhy.Org, 11/02/14

The Safari Club was an alliance between national intelligence agencies that wished to compensate for the CIA’s retrenchment in the wake of President Carter’s election and Senator Church’s post-Watergate reforms. As former Saudi intelligence chief Prince Turki bin Faisal once told Georgetown University alumni,

In 1976, after the Watergate matters took place here, your intelligence community was literally tied up by Congress. It could not do anything. It could not send spies, it could not write reports, and it could not pay money. In order to compensate for that, a group of countries got together in the hope of fighting Communism and established what was called the Safari Club. The Safari Club included France, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Morocco, and Iran. (1)


After Carter was elected, the Safari Club allied itself with Richard Helms and Theodore Shackley against the more restrained intelligence policies of Jimmy Carter, according to Joseph Trento. In Trento’s account, the dismissal by William Colby in 1974 of CIA counterintelligence chief James Angleton,

combined with Watergate, is what prompted the Safari Club to start working with [former DCI Richard] Helms [then U.S. Ambassador to Iran] and his most trusted operatives outside of Congressional and even Agency purview. James Angleton said before his death that “Shackley and Helms … began working with outsiders like Adham and Saudi Arabia. The traditional CIA answering to the president was an empty vessel having little more than technical capability.”(2)


Trento adds that “The Safari Club needed a network of banks to finance its intelligence operations. With the official blessing of George Bush as the head of the CIA, Adham transformed . . . the Bank of Credit and Commerce International (BCCI), into a worldwide money-laundering machine.”(3) Trento claims also that the Safari Club then was able to work with some of the controversial CIA operators who had been forced out of the CIA by Turner, and that this was coordinated by Theodore Shackley:

Shackley, who still had ambitions to become DCI, believed that without his many sources and operatives like [Edwin] Wilson, the Safari Club—operating with [former DCI Richard] Helms in charge in Tehran—would be ineffective. . . . Unless Shackley took direct action to complete the privatization of intelligence operations soon, the Safari Club would not have a conduit to [CIA] resources. The solution: create a totally private intelligence network using CIA assets until President Carter could be replaced. (4)


Continues…

https://whowhatwhy.org/politics/government-integrity/the-deep-state-plots-the-1980-defeat-of-jimmy-carter/

Big Oil, the Saudi Roils and global Petroligarchs HATE democracy. They want to get every last penny this extracted mineral can yield, even if in the process it kills us all.

OAITW r.2.0

(28,896 posts)
11. Thanks for posting. I always wonder, how well did the Bush family do, $-wise, after GW Bush became President?
Sat Aug 31, 2024, 07:23 PM
Aug 2024

How many lives did we expend in 2 Bush ME wars to end up with what, exactly?

A great law for future Presidential aspirants - you need 100% financial transparencies. No more Bushes and no more Trumps.

OKIsItJustMe

(21,031 posts)
5. NREL: Laboratory History
Sat Aug 31, 2024, 11:20 AM
Aug 2024
https://www.nrel.gov/about/history.html


1974
In October, President Gerald Ford establishes the Energy Research and Development Administration (ERDA) and signs the Solar Energy Research, Development, and Demonstration Act, which creates the Solar Energy Research Institute (SERI).



1977
In February, President Jimmy Carter tells the nation how critical SERI's work will be to his administration's goals: "We will emphasize research on solar energy and other renewable energy sources."



1980
SERI's budget increases from $90 million to $130 million—estimated to be more than all other nations' combined spend on renewable research. The staff grows to nearly 1,000.



1981
President Ronald Reagan slashes the SERI budget to less than $30 million and reduces its staff to 450 people; Director Denis Hayes resigns.

OAITW r.2.0

(28,896 posts)
10. We had a unique opportunity under Jimmy. I guy that understood energy at a deeper level than 99% of the people.
Sat Aug 31, 2024, 07:16 PM
Aug 2024

We chose oil and 20th century Republican foreign policy. Reverbs today, just like their pro-RW support in Central and South America. Why refugees? Look at 50 years of Republican using these countries as a laboratory to test their anti-democratic ideas.

OKIsItJustMe

(21,031 posts)
6. A man with a vision
Sat Aug 31, 2024, 11:22 AM
Aug 2024

❝In the year 2000, the solar water heater behind me, which is being dedicated today, will still be here supplying cheap, efficient energy. A generation from now, this solar heater can either be a curiosity, a museum piece, an example of a road not taken, or it can be just a small part of one of the greatest and most exciting adventures ever undertaken by the American people: harnessing the power of the Sun to enrich our lives as we move away from our crippling dependence on foreign oil.❞

Woodwizard

(1,067 posts)
9. Carter had vision
Sat Aug 31, 2024, 11:49 AM
Aug 2024

From those days to the present I have been interested in renewable energy.

Put 13 kw of solar on my shop that also supplies the house.

The south wall of my shop has a 20'x8' home made hot water panel that heats the shop floor.

Installed mini split heat pumps for the house.

We would be so much further ahead if the country stayed on Carter's path.

NNadir

(34,930 posts)
13. It was cute, but meaningless. I loved Jimmy Carter, the man, and I voted for him to be President twice...
Wed Jan 1, 2025, 08:15 PM
Jan 1

...once when he won, and once when he lost.

I mourn the man, not the President however.

That said, his energy policies, despite popular delusional rhetoric to the contrary, were in fact horrible, since they included hyping the useless and extraordinarily expensive solar industry, which has proved ineffective at doing anything to address the extreme global heating we now observe. The fantasy has squandered trillions of dollars for no effective result, except making things worse faster.

When Jimmy Carter took office, in the week beginning January 16, 1076, the concentration of the dangerous fossil fuel waste carbon dioxide in the planetary atmosphere 333.03 ppm.

As of the week just past it is this:

Week beginning on December 22, 2024: 425.59 ppm
Weekly value from 1 year ago: 421.75 ppm
Weekly value from 10 years ago: 399.08 ppm
Last updated: January 01, 2025

Weekly average CO2 at Mauna Loa

The world has largely, foolishly in my view, bought into the bullshit "solar will save us" fantasy at a scale of trillions of dollars for the immediately above result, things getting worse faster.

The Disastrous 2024 CO2 Data Recorded at Mauna Loa: Yet Another Update 12/08/2024

Worse, his energy policies included a proposal for Fischer–Tropsch (FT) chemistry, which had been industrialized at that point, both in Nazi Germany and in Apartheid era South Africa - at at a single Eastman Chemical plant in Tennessee for making methacrylic acid - which was a "coal to oil" proposal. This would have vastly accelerated the release of carbon dioxide since it would have destroyed some of the exergy available from coal, meaning more coal would have been consumed than we did consume.

Had this taken place, we would be looking at far worse carbon dioxide concentrations than we are looking at now, and what we are seeing now, despite all the "solar will save us" bullshit we've heard over the last half a century, is disastrous; I would guess much closer to 500 ppm than we are now, a figure that we will surely reach by the late 2040's based on a crude quadratic model.

Further, despite a claimed fondness for human rights, he kissed up to the torturous regime of the Shah of Iran to gain access to the dangerous fossil fuel petroleum, a regime installed by the United States, at the behest of Great Britain, in Iran in the 1950's.

His policy of declining the reprocessing of nuclear fuels as a "moral example" has left the world with far less isolated fissionable material than it really needs to have any hope of reversing the extreme global heating now observed.

Jimmy Carter was a fine, outstanding man, but he was not a Democratic President of the caliber of many other Democratic Presidents in modern times. Only John F. Kennedy and Woodrow Wilson were worse Presidents in the last century plus, and he does not stand up to the likes of FDR, Truman, Lyndon Johnson, Clinton, Obama, or Biden. All of these men were greater Presidents, and all left a far greater positive mark on the future.

Jimmy Carter's most positive legacy involves the years after he left office, where he was a stellar ex-president, possibly the greatest of all times, because of moral depth, which overcame his less than stellar success we observed when he was in office.

I know that his defeat, which led to the horror of Ronald Reagan, set the United States on its current course of collapse into an orgy of stupidity. A better, wiser Presidency might have prevented this tragedy.

I do not wish to speak ill of the dead but let the dead bury the dead, and let the living, live more wisely than the honored dead lived.

Happy New Year.

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