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usonian

(14,592 posts)
Wed Apr 24, 2024, 11:51 AM Apr 2024

Why the stockmarket is disappearing

Large companies such as ByteDance, OpenAI and Stripe are staying private

Not paywalled for me at The Economist.
I'll post an archived link if you get one.

https://www.eeconomist.com/finance-and-economics/2024/04/18/why-the-stockmarket-is-disappearing


Global share prices have never been higher, having risen by 14% over the past year. At the same time, the supply of stocks is shrinking. As analysts at JPMorgan Chase, a bank, note, the pace of company listings is slower this year than last, and last year was already a slow one. This means that equity issuance net of stock buy-backs so far this year is already negative, at minus $120bn—the lowest such figure since at least 1999. Companies including ByteDance, Openai, Stripe and SpaceX have valuations in the tens or even hundreds of billions of dollars, and remain private.

Jamie Dimon, JPMorgan’s boss, is among those to have voiced concern. He identifies demand for environmental, social and governance reporting and the pressure of quarterly earnings reports as part of the trend’s explanation. But for the most part, the disappearing stockmarket is a side-effect of something more positive for company founders: they simply have more options. Private-equity funds managed $8.2trn by the middle of 2023, according to McKinsey, a consultancy—more than twice the amount in 2018. If founders do not want to go public, they now face less pressure to do so. There are plenty of funds that are willing to invest in them regardless.

Founders have many reasons to stay private. The rise of intangible assets is a big one. Such assets range from copyrights, software and other intellectual property to brand recognition. René Stulz of Ohio State University notes that requirements for disclosure of financial information and strategy favour companies with tangible assets, such as machinery and real estate. When a firm announces it owns a building, competitors can hardly steal the asset. When it comes to ideas, research and other intangibles, the less rival firms know, the better. If a company tries to withhold information when listing, it may be undervalued. Worse still, it may be breaking the law.

People other than company founders may be worried by the trend, however. Public markets are more transparent than private ones. Thus their reduced importance matters not just for investors, but for regulators monitoring financial stability and analysts assessing the market. Stocks also still tend to be the cornerstone of portfolios for less sophisticated retail investors. Alexander Ljungqvist, Lars Persson and Joacim Tag, three economists, suggest that the disappearance of markets may reduce public support for business-friendly government policies, as voters benefit less from corporate profits.


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TheFarseer

(9,520 posts)
1. Re-banning stock buy backs would help.
Wed Apr 24, 2024, 12:04 PM
Apr 2024

But that would ruin the whole scheme of creating artificial scarcity and pushing the price higher.

jimfields33

(19,312 posts)
2. I think anyone with a 401K wants it to go higher.
Wed Apr 24, 2024, 01:06 PM
Apr 2024

I’m surprised to see someone upset over that.

TheFarseer

(9,520 posts)
3. I'm surprised to see Dems for artificially high stock prices
Wed Apr 24, 2024, 02:00 PM
Apr 2024

Last edited Wed Apr 24, 2024, 03:31 PM - Edit history (1)

https://hbr.org/2020/01/why-stock-buybacks-are-dangerous-for-the-economy

Basically, stock buy backs are bad for the long term health of the company. The link can give you a detailed explanation. Buy back funds could be spent on R&D, needed upgrades and repairs or investing in the employees. You’re making the same argument as people wanting to lay everyone off and move the company to China - “why are you against the investors making money?”

jimfields33

(19,312 posts)
5. I don't think most are interested in the day to day.
Wed Apr 24, 2024, 03:56 PM
Apr 2024

Quarterly reports are at most what people look at. The number better be going up. 😂 Maybe you are a financial wizard.

MadameButterfly

(1,944 posts)
4. My question is how does this affect the average
Wed Apr 24, 2024, 03:23 PM
Apr 2024

American who doesn't control hedge funds and works for a living?

JudyM

(29,536 posts)
6. Interesting
Wed Apr 24, 2024, 09:59 PM
Apr 2024

Hadn’t read about this before.

And of course Dimon attributes it to consumer/environmental protection regs.

usonian

(14,592 posts)
7. All the Ferrari's and Maserati's I used to see in Los Altos, at stop lights on my way to work
Wed Apr 24, 2024, 11:09 PM
Apr 2024

were funded by companies going IPO. That's the big bonanza.

Then, reality sets in.

You're public; you've got rules and regulations. Sucks big time.

So, make the big IPO, and go private again.

I'm thinking this now, not earlier, so I'm in a home that cost half the state median, but with a Jackson Hole kind of view.

Making the best of a modest life.

Igel

(36,229 posts)
9. Yeah, but the motivation's understandable.
Sun Dec 15, 2024, 04:40 PM
Dec 15

The more people you have prying into what you think of as your business and saying they are entitled to have a real say in it, the more you want them to just eff off and go away.

Finances? Sure. But social, personal, career ...? No diff.

Why they should be different from any other adult (or teen, or parent, for that matter) is beyond my ken.

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