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douglas9

(4,491 posts)
Thu Dec 16, 2021, 08:49 AM Dec 2021

#PizzaIsNotWorking: Inside the Pharmacist Rebellion at CVS and Walgreens

Pharmacists Planning Nationwide Walkout on December 20th

Nationwide, pharmacists are planning a walkout on Monday, December 20th, to draw attention to the understaffing widespread among pharmacy workers and also pharmacy technicians’ low pay.

The action is being organized primarily by pharmacy technicians Facebook group #PizzaIsNotWorking (a reference to how employers give free pizza to placate employees), which has over 45,000 members nationwide.



https://mattstoller.substack.com/p/pizzaisnotworking-inside-the-pharmacist

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#PizzaIsNotWorking: Inside the Pharmacist Rebellion at CVS and Walgreens (Original Post) douglas9 Dec 2021 OP
Rebellion is an grossly inappropriate word to use here. Magoo48 Dec 2021 #1
Why would a pharmacist work at Walgreens jimfields33 Dec 2021 #3
If better places are hiring IronLionZion Dec 2021 #6
The Rite Aid in my town has had horrible problems keeping KPN Dec 2021 #20
"numerous places to work"? druidity33 Dec 2021 #9
"a single independent pharmacy" left-of-center2012 Dec 2021 #13
Does it pay six figures? Orrex Dec 2021 #14
There is one in my small town besides Walmart and it employs exactly two people. efhmc Dec 2021 #17
THIS! lastlib Dec 2021 #4
Why not both? ck4829 Dec 2021 #5
Mass Action Captain Zero Dec 2021 #7
Would pharmacists qualify to unionize? AZSkiffyGeek Dec 2021 #25
I would think so Jimbo S Dec 2021 #32
Related news: received an email from the Amazon.com Pharmacy yesterday... Auggie Dec 2021 #2
How do they control who gets the drugs though? That's something I never understood. LymphocyteLover Dec 2021 #10
VA has been mailing my scrips for years... Wounded Bear Dec 2021 #11
I guess they really on the security of people not tampering with US mail but I guess LymphocyteLover Dec 2021 #34
My PCP prescribes, and I'm registered with them... Wounded Bear Dec 2021 #36
How does any current establishment control that? quakerboy Dec 2021 #35
they typically ask for name and birthdate, sometimes ID LymphocyteLover Dec 2021 #37
And how is that any different? quakerboy Dec 2021 #38
it's not so much the delivery as the ordering that I wonder about LymphocyteLover Dec 2021 #39
In the age of cheap printers, laminators, etc quakerboy Dec 2021 #40
We should accept the slant some blogger gives to the issue? "Rebellion"? Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2021 #8
I like it. Let them eat pizza!, say the plutocrats...Not much has changed on that. Alexander Of Assyria Dec 2021 #15
I know a pharmacist... DeSmet Dec 2021 #12
Yep. It is a squeeze. You know what needs to go? Excessive corporate profits. PatrickforB Dec 2021 #16
great post! bbgrunt Dec 2021 #18
This should be an OP! druidity33 Dec 2021 #19
This KPN Dec 2021 #23
Awesome post Patrick ... as are many of yours. KPN Dec 2021 #22
Please post this as an OP BlueIdaho Dec 2021 #24
Internalize the profits Jimbo S Dec 2021 #33
I love the new strength workers are showing. SunSeeker Dec 2021 #21
Good. They resist corporate models of salaried employees that show corporate contempt for humans. ancianita Dec 2021 #26
Pizza Is A Favorite For Nursing Management... GB_RN Dec 2021 #27
This is a Catastrophe! Cozmo Dec 2021 #28
Solidarity. nt Tommymac Dec 2021 #29
My dad was a pharmacist back in the good old days. BlueIdaho Dec 2021 #30
A plea for John Oliver to do an expose on working conditions in retail pharmacy douglas9 Dec 2021 #31

Magoo48

(5,538 posts)
1. Rebellion is an grossly inappropriate word to use here.
Thu Dec 16, 2021, 09:00 AM
Dec 2021

Try: action, demands, desire to bargain, request……….

Solution: strong union, strong union, strong union.

jimfields33

(19,317 posts)
3. Why would a pharmacist work at Walgreens
Thu Dec 16, 2021, 09:32 AM
Dec 2021

Do they think they are getting 6 figure salaries. There are numerous places to work at a pharmacy and they chose Walgreens? I guess I don’t understand their career plan.

IronLionZion

(47,121 posts)
6. If better places are hiring
Thu Dec 16, 2021, 09:45 AM
Dec 2021

then they might switch jobs just like millions of other Americans.

There are Walgreens, CVS, RiteAid, etc. on every corner in many cities so they probably have the most jobs.

KPN

(16,167 posts)
20. The Rite Aid in my town has had horrible problems keeping
Thu Dec 16, 2021, 11:18 AM
Dec 2021

it’’ pharmacy operating the past 4 months. They have lost at least a couple of their pharmacists for one reason or another and can’t find pharmacists to replace them except on a here and there fill-in basis. Their hours are subsequently unreliable and people have been finding it impossible to get a prescription filled through them timely or even close.

There are also two local semi-department stores (same company/name) that have closed their pharmacies in the past few months here. As a result, our Safeway pharmacies (there are two) seem to always have long lines of 25 or 30 people waiting to pickup prescriptions.

Something strange is going on with pharmacies. Don’t know the whole story, but it’s crazy.

druidity33

(6,596 posts)
9. "numerous places to work"?
Thu Dec 16, 2021, 09:47 AM
Dec 2021

Like a CVS? Or a WalMart? Or a Rite Aid? I can't think of a single independent pharmacy within an hour's drive from my house...



Orrex

(64,327 posts)
14. Does it pay six figures?
Thu Dec 16, 2021, 10:38 AM
Dec 2021

With a competitive benefits package and incentives to match those of nationwide chain pharmacies?

If so, terrific! That would make it an extreme outlier.

efhmc

(15,040 posts)
17. There is one in my small town besides Walmart and it employs exactly two people.
Thu Dec 16, 2021, 11:06 AM
Dec 2021

Unions are the ONLY thing which actually helps workers.

Jimbo S

(3,019 posts)
32. I would think so
Thu Dec 16, 2021, 01:29 PM
Dec 2021

I think they would be considered 'professional staff'. So a gray area if they can organize.

Auggie

(31,908 posts)
2. Related news: received an email from the Amazon.com Pharmacy yesterday...
Thu Dec 16, 2021, 09:17 AM
Dec 2021

they're open for business, though their prices aren't that competitive. Still, you know, the convenience thing.

The online Rx business will probably replace the brick and mortar business. Most of them, at least.

Wounded Bear

(60,847 posts)
11. VA has been mailing my scrips for years...
Thu Dec 16, 2021, 10:07 AM
Dec 2021


Note: they do have restrictions on some things, like opioids and other pain killers, but I get mine on a regular basis.

LymphocyteLover

(6,980 posts)
34. I guess they really on the security of people not tampering with US mail but I guess
Thu Dec 16, 2021, 10:49 PM
Dec 2021

I don't get how they control the initial order and know who it really is but I guess they have a way

quakerboy

(14,202 posts)
38. And how is that any different?
Fri Dec 17, 2021, 10:39 AM
Dec 2021

Sometimes they ask for id. Sometimes they just check it out to your (self proclaimed) partner, or your housemate or your kindly neighbor, or someone claiming to be your adult child helping out.

Setting aside the Dejoy issue for a moment.. is a random person claiming to be helping you more reliable than the USPS?

LymphocyteLover

(6,980 posts)
39. it's not so much the delivery as the ordering that I wonder about
Fri Dec 17, 2021, 02:44 PM
Dec 2021

how they control prescriptions and that maybe someone claims to be someone else, which is easier online

quakerboy

(14,202 posts)
40. In the age of cheap printers, laminators, etc
Fri Dec 17, 2021, 04:45 PM
Dec 2021

Its surely not hard to claim to be someone else online or elsewhere. Its rare that even the most diligent pharmacist clerk gives any of the various forms of ID more than a cursory glance. I just looked, seems you can get an ID card maker on amazon for $599. More than I expected, but still not much, really.

DeSmet

(257 posts)
12. I know a pharmacist...
Thu Dec 16, 2021, 10:15 AM
Dec 2021

recently lured back to their former employer (another huge national pharmacy). Over $100K. 60 hr. work week. Then off a week. Not horrible. I had to ask myself how much mark up the drug store has in order to pay that much for this pharmacist and the others working there alongside them. They are moving a lot of medicine. Shop yourself around.
Be ready to take the position elsewhere.
The real criminals are Big Pharma and the Washington enablers refusing to reign in the obscene greed.

PatrickforB

(15,126 posts)
16. Yep. It is a squeeze. You know what needs to go? Excessive corporate profits.
Thu Dec 16, 2021, 10:54 AM
Dec 2021

Last edited Thu Dec 16, 2021, 12:09 PM - Edit history (1)

Because right now, and since the MI Supreme Court ruling against Henry Ford in 1919, we have done corporate business under a doctrine called 'primacy of the shareholder.'

This means that profits are king. Period. Profits are more important than workers, than safety, than consumers, than the community, than the environment. It's all about shareholder profits. Tax loopholes allowing executive compensation to be deducted have contributed to stratospheric 'salaries' for CEOs.

And, hey, if you are a CEO of a publicly held company, and you are doing your job well, you:
For Workers
1. Bust the union, if there is one, first thing.
2. Participate in wage theft, if you can.
3. Cut hours so you won't have to give your workforce benefits.
4. Steal back the pensions, if the workers have them.
5. Compromise safety on the workplace floor.

For Consumers
1. Cut cost of sales by using inferior parts.
2. Cut the size of packaging and charge the same amount or more.
3. Compromise product safety until paying out claims exceeds the cost of fixing the problem.

For the Community and Environment
1. Foul the environment whenever you can get away with it, and if caught try to pass the cost of cleanup to taxpayers.
2. Contribute to politicians who will 'owe you' and vote against regulation and for tax cuts.

This is why we have what we have right now. The doctrine of shareholder primacy. Replace that with a stakeholder system where the interests of workers, consumers, communities and the environment are held EQUAL to the interests of shareholders, cap C-Suite pay to no more than 10 times the worker on the floor, and impose a fairer corporate tax so that corporations are paying in more like 35% of the federal government's tax revenue instead of the current 6.8% (while individual taxpayers, like the workers, are currently paying in 86% - reduce that down to about 45%), beef up regulations that ensure quality, worker and consumer safety, and limit environmental polluting, and impose a wealth tax to eliminate billionaires and...

VIOLA!!!!

We have enough money for Medicare for all Americans including dental care, vision care and prescription drugs, expanded Social Security, affordable debt-free college, infrastructure improvements, improving our K-12 system, and even a guaranteed minimum income.

Result: A society where people aren't stressed out by lack of healthcare, crummy working conditions or grinding poverty, and where more people have 'enough.'

KPN

(16,167 posts)
22. Awesome post Patrick ... as are many of yours.
Thu Dec 16, 2021, 11:26 AM
Dec 2021

Thank you for taking the time to post a remarkably instructive and compelling post.

Jimbo S

(3,019 posts)
33. Internalize the profits
Thu Dec 16, 2021, 01:32 PM
Dec 2021

Externalize the costs (environmental, health insurance, etc) to the public.

SunSeeker

(54,063 posts)
21. I love the new strength workers are showing.
Thu Dec 16, 2021, 11:20 AM
Dec 2021

My local trash collectors went on strike last Thursday and today the trash company caved and gave them what what they wanted. Our trash collectors are in the Teamsters Union, which knows how to do a strike!

ancianita

(38,879 posts)
26. Good. They resist corporate models of salaried employees that show corporate contempt for humans.
Thu Dec 16, 2021, 11:37 AM
Dec 2021

GB_RN

(3,219 posts)
27. Pizza Is A Favorite For Nursing Management...
Thu Dec 16, 2021, 11:40 AM
Dec 2021

To give to us nursing staff. Yeah, I've gotta agree that #PizzaIsNotWorking.

Cozmo

(1,402 posts)
28. This is a Catastrophe!
Thu Dec 16, 2021, 11:42 AM
Dec 2021

Not only are pharmacies understaffed, they are not able to get necessary drugs in the store for the consumer. For the past 6 months, my monthly prescriptions are not in stock. I have to call around to multiple pharmacies to see if they have the drugs, then I have to call my doctor to tell him where to phone in the prescription. Since these medications are not transferable from one Walgreens to another, this exercise can prove fruitless. There is not enough staff to answer phones, so you are on hold or get disconnected repeatedly. Last month I had to call around for my medication. I found a pharmacy that had it, but by the time I reached my doctor's office the pharmacy had run out of the medication. The whole process had to be repeated. This has happened on weekends many times and no matter how I try to be proactive and handle the issue in advance, the challenge is proving to be hopeless

One Friday at 5 pm, I called my Walgreens only to find out the the entire staff at the pharmacy had walked out because they were understaffed. So people who needed the their medication on that day because they take certain prescriptions that cannot be filled until that very day, went without. I've had a good relationship with my pharmacist and truly believe that the staff is facing issues that need to be resolved by management ASAP. This is a stressful business and management needs to support it's workers and thereby support it's customers.

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
30. My dad was a pharmacist back in the good old days.
Thu Dec 16, 2021, 11:44 AM
Dec 2021

He actually owned his business. It was hard work - often returning to the pharmacy in the evening or on a Sunday to fill a prescription someone needed ASAP, but that was his choice and we had a comfortable life. I remember him talking about the “Big Box” store pharmacies that were wiping out small pharmacies all over town and how poorly they treated their staff. He often wondered how anyone could raise a family on what they were paid.

Today’s pharmacists aren’t so lucky - even so called “drugstores” treat their professional staff like crap as they make their money on the front end of the store.

douglas9

(4,491 posts)
31. A plea for John Oliver to do an expose on working conditions in retail pharmacy
Thu Dec 16, 2021, 12:32 PM
Dec 2021

Hello all,

We are tired. We are worried sick for our patients. We have been pushed past the brink of exhaustion. It has always been rough working for these corporations, but COVID-19 has made it unbearable. Job dissatisfaction among pharmacists and technicians is at an all-time high. We are a subjugated workforce and it’s time for change.

It is my opinion that press involvement is the best method of achieving the change we so desperately desire. I believe that the perfect candidate to make a difference is the late-night talk show host John Oliver as he has done awesome pieces on worker’s rights issues and public health concerns. It is my hope that he and his team catch wind of this petition and address the following in a future expose:

DISMAL WORKING CONDITIONS:

We are subject to long working hours (and consequent punishment for working overtime), minimal lunch/bathroom breaks, chronic short-staffing, and the tyranny of higher-ups imposing unreasonable performance metrics (including but not limited to the number of inoculations we administer, making phone calls to patients, the expedience with which prescriptions are filled, and so on). We are unable to properly meet the needs of our patients given the enormous pressures we are subject to.


https://www.change.org/p/a-plea-for-john-oliver-to-do-an-expose-on-working-conditions-in-retail-pharmacy



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