Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News Editorials & Other Articles General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

mahatmakanejeeves

(61,634 posts)
Tue Nov 14, 2023, 06:52 AM Nov 2023

US Inflation Report to Keep Fed Leaning Toward More Rate Hikes

Economics | Inflation & Prices

US Inflation Report to Keep Fed Leaning Toward More Rate Hikes

• Core inflation may move sideways, Bloomberg Economics says
• Fed will probably keep ‘wait-and-see’ attitude toward hikes

By Matthew Boesler
November 14, 2023 at 12:00 AM EST

A monthly US government report on consumer prices due Tuesday is set to show slower progress toward the Federal Reserve’s 2% inflation target, keeping the central bank biased toward more tightening, according to Bloomberg Economics.

The figures are set to show the consumer price index excluding food and energy rose 0.3% for a second straight month in October, leaving the year-over-year rate unchanged at 4.1%, Bloomberg economists Anna Wong and Stuart Paul said Monday in a preview of the report.

{snip}
11 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies

Fiendish Thingy

(18,816 posts)
1. Except the report showed lower than expected numbers.
Tue Nov 14, 2023, 09:29 AM
Nov 2023

Instead of the expected 0.3% and 4.1% annual, the inflation numbers released today were 0.0% and 3.2% annual.

I’d say the odds just increased for the Fed to pause hikes.

peppertree

(22,850 posts)
3. Exactly. The problem is that Scary Jerry wants Needy Amin back in office
Tue Nov 14, 2023, 09:47 AM
Nov 2023

And he knows he has more power than any single other individual - including Trump himself - to bring that about.

Fiendish Thingy

(18,816 posts)
5. So many nicknames, so little clarity
Tue Nov 14, 2023, 10:25 AM
Nov 2023

I have seen no evidence that Powell wants Trump to be re-elected.

When congress refuses to act (by raising taxes or legislating against corporate profiteering and price gouging), interest hikes are the only remaining tool against inflation. If Powell hadn’t hiked rates over the past 18 months, we’d be looking at 12-15% inflation, which would almost certainly guarantee Trump’s re-election.

texasfiddler

(2,193 posts)
2. Bloomberg Economics wrong again.
Tue Nov 14, 2023, 09:45 AM
Nov 2023

I generally like Bloomberg, but their prognostications have been off the mark. I wish they would just wait until the CPI report is released.

peppertree

(22,850 posts)
4. True. What they fail (or refuse) to see is that Powell is putting his thumb on the scale for Cheeto
Tue Nov 14, 2023, 09:50 AM
Nov 2023

Powell knows he has more power than any single other individual - including Trump himself - to bring that about.

progree

(11,463 posts)
7. Economists surveyed by Dow Jones missed by 0.1 percentage points on the high side on all measures
Tue Nov 14, 2023, 11:55 AM
Nov 2023
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10143157774
The consumer price index ... increased 3.2% from a year ago despite being unchanged for the month ... Economists surveyed by Dow Jones had been looking for respective readings of 0.1% and 3.3%. ((so they overestimated by 0.1 percentage points on both measures -Progree))

Excluding volatile food and energy prices, core CPI increased 0.2% and 4%, against the forecast of 0.3% and 4.1%. ((so they overestimated by 0.1 percentage points on both measures -Progree))


Oddly enough, Bloomberg forecast the same 0.3% and 4.1% for CORE CPI as the Dow Jones economists, thus also missing on both measures by 0.1 percentage points on the high side. https://archive.li/l8CZj

I'm skeptical about the huge miss on regular CPI that one person is claiming in a linkless assertion. Edited to add: I can't find Bloomberg's forecast for regular CPI anywhere, except it's likely in a report that only Bloomberg Terminal clients have access to, End Edit

progree

(11,463 posts)
8. GRAPHS: month-by month bar graph and rolling 3 months
Tue Nov 14, 2023, 11:57 AM
Nov 2023

though nowadays they look at things like "supercore service inflation" and core ex shelter and who knows what other series.

First the regular headline CPI number, and the regular month-by-month increases (rolling 3 months stuff comes later) :



After a frightening late summer jump, a nice downward trend to 0% in October (actually 0.04% which annualizes to 0.54%)

Now the CORE CPI number that the Fed is more interested in (though actually its the CORE PCE inflation gauge that historically has been their #1 gauge of underlying inflation trend to project FUTURE inflation)


After a bump-up in late summer, a nice move downward in October back to the June-July numbers.

CPI Rolling 3 month average thru October 2023:

For better accuracy, I calculate the rolling 3 months average using the actual index numbers, not the one digit monthly change numbers

A rolling 3 month helps smooth out month-to-month volatility, and since 3 months is an average of 3 data points, it is less likely to be dismissed as a "one off" like a single month's increase could be.



The big August & September jump hurt the 3 month average. As August and September fall out of the 3 month average in the coming one and two months, there should be a dramatic improvement.

CORE CPI Rolling 3 month average thru October 2023:



It has finally come down to about the 3% range. As August and September fall out of the 3 month average in the coming months, this may well improve considerably.

The next Fed rate-setting meeting is December 12-13.

BLS CPI press release: https://www.bls.gov/news.release/cpi.nr0.htm

Various series:

CPI: https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CUSR0000SA0&output_view=pct_1mth
CORE CPI: http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CUSR0000SA0L1E&output_view=pct_1mth

For all BLS timeseries data, one can see the index values and other periods like rolling 3 month, rolling 6 month, rolling 12 months by clicking "More Formatting Options" on the upper right and then on the page that shows up, check the various checkboxes

REAL AVERAGE HOURLY EARNINGS of production and non-supervisory workers https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES0500000032 ,
. . . private workers: https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES0500000013

CPI excluding shelter - https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CUUR0000SA0L2
. . . FRED: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CUUR0000SA0L2
. . . Table 3 has CPI ex shelter, as well as Core ex shelter https://www.bls.gov/news.release/cpi.t03.htm

Rent (SA) https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CUSR0000SEHA
Fred: (SA) Rent of Primary Residence in U.S. City Average https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CUSR0000SEHA
(NSA) https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CUSR0000SEHA

SA = Seasonally Adjusted, NSA = Not Seasonally Adjusted

mahatmakanejeeves

(61,634 posts)
10. This article went online at midnight, eight and a half hours before the BLS released its report.
Tue Nov 14, 2023, 12:20 PM
Nov 2023

It serves as a placeholder, until the report comes out.

And good afternoon.

elleng

(136,833 posts)
11. Thanks. They'd better change the damned headline.
Tue Nov 14, 2023, 12:23 PM
Nov 2023

and 'my' S + P UP +1.79%!

Good afternoon! Sunny and 63 here, that's 63 @ my front door, 'officially' 57 in Calvert County.

Latest Discussions»Issue Forums»Economy»US Inflation Report to Ke...