The election sure seems off but without doing the proper audits, without random inspections of machines, you will be called a conspiracy theorist.

I was hoping the recount in Pa. would shed some light but I don't think that recount is thorough enough.

https://www.explorejeffersonpa.com/politics/2024/11/19/department-of-state-begins-risk-limiting-audit-for-presidential-election-155060/#google_vignette

Took them long enough to tell us.

between an audit and an official recount.

An audit checks the tabulations - it is not an hand recount of paper ballots.

...being called names like "conspiracy theorist!" than they are of giving away our Democracy to nazis.

Oh well, America was a great experiment, while it lasted.

back in the 60's the CIA purposely degraded the term conspiracy so that it could be a useful tool to use against anyone who questioned the official narrative.

I don't know whether that is true.

But I do know that anyone who doesn't believe that the rich and powerful conspire together behind closed doors to run everything that they can in their own personal interests is not someone whom I would trust to boil water.

Maybe part of the plan was to make it seem insane to scream rigged??

Computer Scientists: Breaches of Voting System Software Warrant Recounts to Ensure Election Verification
Latest Developments

Update on Keeping our Democracy. Or not.

Duty to Warn Letter - to VP Harris - Re: Election 2024
Stephen Spoonamore substack
Nov 15, 2024

Stephen Spoonamore
@spoonamore

https://spoutible.com/Spoonamore

Stephen Spoonamore: Reddit AMA

rightwingers, magats nazis are pros at it.

MAGA Trumpists use gas-lighting to protect themselves. Not only accusing the Democrats of crime that they themselves committed. But accusing them of crimes they will engage in at a future date. To be able to then apply a reverse pressure on them to avoid doing anything similar such as claiming fraud and demanding a recount.....EVEN IF THERE ARE ODDITIES LIKE THE BULLET BALLOTS DISCREPANCY IN SWING STATES.

I used to cringe when I would hear the Democrats say we have the safest elections ever. It's all started from their claims of it being stolen.

https://kamalaharris.com/

recounting a few individual House races and Senate races.

They have to demand at least one Swing State full recount. And see how that goes to decide on any future recount endeavours. But they have to start NOW. What is Biden doing in the rain forests of SA? Where is Harris?

I don't understand what people are missing here.

Her campaign is on record to be one of the most expensive lost campaigns in history. All of the debts haven't even been reported yet.

https://www.bbc.com/news/videos/c3e80x71x0ko

Yet people are banging their heads against the walls demanding recounts that are EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE.

I say that those people should put their money where their mouth is and donate if they really believe that there should be a recount.

Recounts don't come out of thin air. The naivete is shocking.

You can have all of the evidence in the world but if you don't have the financial support for recounts it doesn't mean diddly squat. So, scream recount all you like but until the money shows up you're wasting your breath.

The campaign's outstanding debts, if they have enough money to pay for recounts that have been sufficiently supported by documentation maybe the recounts will be pursued.

But there has to be support for a recount AND MONEY.

She can't just go into the board of elections to wherever and stamp her feet and demand a recount. That's not how it works.

It doesn't matter what any of us think or believe. Just complaining "that's not good enough" will not even get the recounts started and is liable to shut down any serious conversation on the topic.

To suggest Harris and Biden can just demand such is accusatory, naive and downright ridiculous. It's not up to them. Again, that's not how it works.

And President Biden is at the G20 Summit. FYI.
https://www.g20.org/en

There's been little or no mention of her in the news.

Data Scientist's Shocking Call for Election Recount Raises Scary Questions! w/ Stephen Spoonamore

[ link: https://wwwDOTyoutubeDOTcom/watch?v=RJR5uQpweko ]

Steven Spoonamore on The Thom Hartmann Program Live (11/18/2024) - 02:16:30 - 02:28:45

The Steven Spoonamore interview starts at approx. 02:16:30 to 02:28:45. [link:https://www.youtube.com/live/5s4iCxtf_Js

https://www.youtube.com/@thomhartmann/videos - https://www.thomhartmann.com/

Stephen Spoonamore - Duty to Warn Letter - to VP Harris - Re: Election 2024 - Nov 15, 2024 - https://substack.com/home/post/p-151721941

https://freespeechforpeople.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/letter-to-vp-harris-111324.pdf
November 15, 2024
Honorable VP Kamala Harris
The White House
Office of the Vice President
1600 Pennsylvania Ave
Washington DC 20500
Dear Madam Vice President.
This is my second Duty to Warn Letter regarding hacking of the 2024 Presidential Election. The first letter on November 7 was directed to Commonwealth of Pennsylvania Officials. Both warnings are made per DNI Clapper’s 2015 directive to all agencies and contractors associated with intelligence and financial agency technologies to warn of suspicions of hacking.
Professionally I have worked as the CEO or CTO at seven high technology firms including two which specialized in hacking and counter-hacking operations. My clients have included numerous governments DoD, DHS, Dept. of State, F100 Financials and F500 Industrials.
I am a lifelong Republican who has long placed service and participatory democracy over party. In government, I have twice been invited to SoCom to give lectures on electronic warfare and techniques to find terrorist money laundering and gave a keynote speech of the National Counterintel Summit on this same topic. I served as an after-action reviewer of communications and data failures on 9/11 under the direction of Jim Woolsey and FDNY Commissioner Scopetta, and later co-wrote multiple hacking risk analysis of Smart Grid technologies for the Obama administration.
You should reverse your concession, call for both a full investigation of criminal activity and demand hand recounts in all seven swing states.
In my professional view there are multiple and extremely clear indications the Presidential vote was willfully compromised.
I wholly agree with the public letter of Duncan Buell, et. al. of Nov. 13th stating they believe there is a possibility of hacking and calling for hand-recounts.
https://freespeechforpeople.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/letter-to-vp-harris-111324.pdf
This letter’s clear call to action is commendable, but its cautious tone may belie the severity of what I believe has happened. In my view it is a near certainty the results have been changed at a scale which reversed the US Presidential Election. They imply there is a chance a hand-recount will show you won more votes. I am stating a hand recount will most likely show you did win. Both letters call on you to act.
In my view, a capable and skilled series of exploits, electronic tools and hacks were used to change the Presidential vote in all seven swing states. These activities have reversed the outcomes in at least Arizona, Michigan, North Carolina, and Wisconsin. I will lay out the basics of the attack, starting with unusual elements within the results. I will then outline two processes which could have been followed to insert these false results into the system. Finally I will outline how I would recommend investigating.
Unusual elements within the results.
The results of the attack are improbable in the extreme and well tailored to the sole benefit of your opponent.
Approximately 600,000 votes are for Donald Trump but with no down ballot choices. These are either inserted “bullet ballots” for the Presidential race or manipulated data fields. They are surgically added to totals in limited jurisdictions and within only the seven swing States. This historically unprecedented set of numbers found in the 2024 swing states is absent in every other state. In AZ, MI, NC and WI the effect of these drop-off votes reverses the voters' will and even more improbably always pushes the winning margin beyond the mandatory recount numbers. It is a result too perfect for belief. It is a bespoke and programmed outcome. In other states including PA and NV, removing these strange and bespoke added votes, it appears Donald Trump may have won the cast votes but within a margin which would force recounts. The inserted votes raise his totals, to avoid any scrutiny during mandatory recount results which would have slowed his claim on the Presidency. In GA and FL the same pattern exists with unclear impact on the results.
This attack is not technically difficult. It is modest in scale. It would require:
Modest and common computer programming skills.
Access to 10-100 tabulators or to the handful of facilities programming them in advance.
A credible database of voter IDs of non-voters around which to create false ballots.
Perhaps as few as 1, but more likely 3-5 human program managers.
Access to eBollBook Data during the election to determine who had not voted.
(Possibly) Human access to some tabulators during counting.
If I was asked to lead this hack, I would expect to have a core team of 6-10 people, and operating costs under $10M with a timeline of 3-12 months.
The tell: A historically absurd number of Trump-only bullet ballots or undervote ballots.
There are always a handful of voters who cast a vote in one race which they care about, and do not make other selections on the ballot. These are called bullet ballots. In Presidential Races since 1980, these bullet ballots rarely account for more than 1% of the total votes including in Mr. Trump’s winning 2016 election and losing 2020 election, and when they do it warrants further investigation. In 2024 in the 43 non-swing states, bullet ballots make up a nominal >1%. In the seven swing states the numbers are so high to be unbelievable, unprecedented and demanding of further investigation. Here is analysis from totals as of late Nov. 12th
Here are the unprecedented results of drop-offs in the two western swing states:
AZ - 123K+ 7.2%+ of Trump’s total vote. Enough to reverse the outcome.
NV - 43K+ 5.5%+ of Trump’s total vote. Enough to exceed recount threshold.
It is my belief these two states have illegally added votes.
For comparison, examine Trump’s 2024 results in three states which border AZ and NV. They have equally passionate Trump supporters, but have the normal levels of drop off or bullet ballots.
ID

https://kamalaharris.com/

and popularity on a podcast, probably isn't it.

Until then, I agree with this Redditor--

"He [Spoon] never once explains how this software got installed....or how it was developed. Remember, 177,000 voting precincts that all use wildly different hardware/software versions. Somehow this clown knows all of this?

"What's more likely - some old ass programmer & reiki astrology guy is enjoying his moment in the sun with a f#@king crazy conspiracy, or just enough people sat this election out for dems, and Trump made just enough ground in counties where that smidge of a difference was the decider?"

Part of the plan is to promote absurd voting fraud claims in 2020 to the point where anyone who does anything similar this time, only on the Democratic side, is regarded as a "some old ass programmer & reiki astrology guy is enjoying his moment in the sun with a f#@king crazy conspiracy,"

Just the fact that 5 - 7% of Swing States had bullet ballots with only a Trump check, while the normal average for other States; next to them for this type of ballot voting is one tenth of 1% seems suspicious enough for a recount. See 5:42 on the video.

And who the fuck sits out on the Dem side this time? Nothing important to vote for this time? Both sides to much the same? BS. There is way more evidence that Democrats, and even moderate never Trumper R's were extra motivated this time.

I think Democrats have been successfully gaslighted into refusing to "go low" and even contemplate that anything nefarious went on. To the point of being embarrassed to even request one recount. Putin and MAGA are laughing at such easy work

I am fully prepared to reach the "acceptance" stage of grief. But only after it is clear that strange data like a 5-7% surge in bullet ballots for only Trump in only Swing States, from the normal .01% is clarified. And that is only done in a recount.

What is the worst that can be the result of a State recount? There should be no shame in that. Sure would have been nice to have the recount in Florida completed in 2000 as well. Are Democrats so cowed into bowing into submission this easily? So what if the tabulation was correct all along? That wouldn't change the resistance movement. In fact it might even give it more desperation to act towards 2026

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Not only would it clam up the Mike Pillows of the world, it would be the most secure way to tally an election vote.

Why is the US so stubborn about using proven hackable voting machines? Or transfer systems like Starlink?

The gas-lighting about paper ballots taking too long to count is absurd. How do all the other western nations manage it? In Canada, results are known that same evening.

Yes the USA has 10x the people and votes, which is one excuse I hear, but they also have 10x the pool of potential ballot counters. Its a wash.

The other argument I would make is......so what if the final tabulation takes longer. Even weeks later. The US has a 2 month window between administrations. Isn't getting the vote count more important than having to wait even a month longer to see results?

sorting the ballots into stacks of 50 was beyond the capability of poll workers.

Admittedly, the requirement was last minute, but big blue counties like Dekalb and Gwinnett counties have done it for years as a check on machine totals.

...counties to do that handcount in an unreasonably short amount of time.

Are expensive, labor intensive and notoriously inaccurate. There is plenty of information about these facts that has been presented over and over here and by the DNC for YEARS.

There are many things that are absurd but the objections to hand counting isn't one of them.

Donations are being accepted for the recount here FYI:

https://kamalaharris.com/

More likely that there is a concerted effort to spread misinformation about hand counting inaccuracy.

Most of these countries also do a more thorough recount in the weeks to come. And then also include absentee votes etc. But if the winner is beyond any doubt on election night then they are announced the same day. This is what happens 99% of the time. With only a few ridings close enough into triggering recounts, but wouldn't affect the general outcome.

It is absolutely absurd to dismiss threats of digital manipulation, and to claim that every other democracy has inaccurate election results.

I am loving all your arguments, well stated. 🙏

How do we get her attention?
She needs to hear and see this information.

https://kamalaharris.com/

If you go into the link, it states the following....

Donate here:
https://kamalaharris.com/

A limited number of individual districts recounts is not the problem.

Funding is for targeted recounts for legislative races, not full recounts including the presidential election.

To SCOTUS?

Imagine the riots when MAGA is deprived of their Leader. Trump would certainly tell them that the Election was rigged and here's the "proof".