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douglas9

(4,491 posts)
Thu Apr 27, 2023, 12:05 PM Apr 2023

'Trump Train' convoy boyfriend and girlfriend sued under KKK Act for tailing Biden-Harris campaign

A Donald Trump-supporting couple who joined a “Trump Train” convoy tailing a Biden-Harris campaign bus on I-35 between Austin and San Antonio, Texas, a matter of days before their candidate lost the 2020 election, have apologized as part of a settlement.

Protect Democracy, the Texas Civil Rights Project, and the law firm Willkie Farr & Gallagher, who represent the plaintiffs, announced Thursday that Hannah Ceh and Kyle Kruger have apologized for their actions as the civil case against six other defendants continues on.

The plaintiffs, Eric Cervini, Wendy Davis, David Gins, and Timothy Holloway — “respectively, a volunteer, surrogate, staffer, and contractor for the Biden-Harris Campaign” — sued under Ku Klux Klan Act of 1871, alleging that the defendants had undertaken a “modern-day conspiracy to intimidate voters in trucks in the light of day in the same way that the law outlawed intimidation while hooded on horseback in the dark of night in 1871.”

https://lawandcrime.com/2020-election/trump-train-convoy-boyfriend-and-girlfriend-sued-under-kkk-act-for-tailing-biden-harris-campaign-bus-apologize-after-settlement-i-do-not-feel-that-i-was-thinking/

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Gruenemann

(1,041 posts)
2. The apology was PART of a settlement
Thu Apr 27, 2023, 01:08 PM
Apr 2023

That applies to those two defendants. There may be $$$ involved as well.

AND there are still six defendants involved in the same suit.

SunSeeker

(54,070 posts)
3. The others did even more egregious things, like ramming and side-swiping cars in the Biden group.
Thu Apr 27, 2023, 01:15 PM
Apr 2023

I remember seeing the pictures. Those Trump Train assholes had trucks with huge knobby tires and would pull up alongside Biden people in cars that were following the Biden bus. Then they would scrape the side of the cars with their tires. Someone could have been killed.

lame54

(37,209 posts)
5. I thought apologies were not part of legal settlements...
Thu Apr 27, 2023, 01:33 PM
Apr 2023

Been said a thousand times since the Dominion settlement

6. I heard that the other way around
Thu Apr 27, 2023, 01:39 PM
Apr 2023

Apologies can be part of a settlement. The settlement terms can be practically anything the 2 sides agree to, as long as the terms are legal. It is the trial verdict that can't impose terms like that. A guilty verdict imposes financial fines, but the law does not stipulate things like apologies as a penalty.

Usual disclaimers about not being a lawyer.

ShazzieB

(18,927 posts)
11. Apologies weren't part of the Dominion lawsuit, but that doesn't mean that NEVER happens.
Thu Apr 27, 2023, 02:32 PM
Apr 2023

In this Texas case, an apology was part of the settlement, as clearly stared in the first paragraph of this article:

A Donald Trump-supporting couple who joined a “Trump Train” convoy tailing a Biden-Harris campaign bus on I-35 between Austin and San Antonio, Texas, a matter of days before their candidate lost the 2020 election, have apologized as part of a settlement.

Protect Democracy, the Texas Civil Rights Project, and the law firm Willkie Farr & Gallagher, who represent the plaintiffs, announced Thursday that Hannah Ceh and Kyle Kruger have apologized for their actions as the civil case against six other defendants continues on.

*snip*

Though the settlement details were not revealed, Hannah Ceh and Kyle Kruger did apologize, according to the plaintiffs.

More: https://lawandcrime.com/2020-election/trump-train-convoy-boyfriend-and-girlfriend-sued-under-kkk-act-for-tailing-biden-harris-campaign-bus-apologize-after-settlement-i-do-not-feel-that-i-was-thinking/

lame54

(37,209 posts)
12. Don't yell at me...
Thu Apr 27, 2023, 02:51 PM
Apr 2023

Yell at those repeating that false claim
Money is how they apologize is what we've been told since Dominion
Those upset with Dominion were told they were wrong to expect an apology to come from a lawsuit and that the large number showed their accountability

ShazzieB

(18,927 posts)
14. Sorry, I thought you were repeating the claim because you believed it to be true.
Thu Apr 27, 2023, 02:54 PM
Apr 2023

You said you thought apologies were not part of legal settlements. When InstantGratification said they could be, you replied that you had been hearing the opposite all week. It sounded like you were arguing that InstantGratification was wrong.

All I had to go on were the words on my screen, and that's what I responded to.

onenote

(44,811 posts)
13. What I saw was that there was little leverage to force an apology
Thu Apr 27, 2023, 02:53 PM
Apr 2023

as part of a settlement since the courts would never order one.

Fox -- deep pockets -- would rather give money than an apology, so it was never likely one would be part of a settlement.

But these defendants -- not deep pockets -- almost certainly would rather give an apology in lieu of (in whole or in part) money.

ShazzieB

(18,927 posts)
8. Sincere apologies to all Texas Democrats, but...
Thu Apr 27, 2023, 02:07 PM
Apr 2023

I don't think Biden should bother campaigning in Texas AT ALL in 2024. The general election is going to be won or lost in the electoral college, and it's a foregone conclusion that the GOP candidate, whoever that is, will take Texas and its 38 electoral votes.

I'd rather see Biden-Harris concentrate their campaigning efforts in states where they have a real chance to make a difference in the outcome. I'll let their campaign strategists decide which states those are; I just hate to see them waste their time in states that are redder than the reddest red that ever redded.

If it weren't for the electoral fucking college, I would not feel this way, believe me.

Backseat Driver

(4,639 posts)
9. And yet...the top Judge in the nation makes light
Thu Apr 27, 2023, 02:12 PM
Apr 2023

of veiled stalking, harrassment, and intimidation after breakup in a past relationship...yeah, nothing to see here. Lots of differences, of course, but seeing how the bad behavior was brought by "just a woman" going through some things...to THE COURT under a named Federal Act

Chief Justice John Roberts' Mockery of Stalking Victims Points to a Deeper Problem

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100217850095#post57

ffr

(23,135 posts)
10. I recall a motorcyclist event in NY state where motorcyclists slowed down a car
Thu Apr 27, 2023, 02:24 PM
Apr 2023

and it ran a couple of them over, because the occupants of the car felt threatened.

Now imagine the carnage a bus could do a pose of pickup trucks under similar circumstances.

Why do cooler heads always prevail on our side? Are we the only rational thinkers left on the planet? And we have to tolerate KKK style intimidation simply because they're not rational thinkers?

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