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Related: About this forumWe've lost KPOJ and Carl Wolfson
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http://www.wweek.com/portland/blog-29441-kpoj_cancelling_political_talk_radio_on_monday.htmlI'm so upset that our progressive talk station and local morning show with Carl Wolfson is no longer. Now it's another sports station. Ugh.
Edited because the switch happened at 5:30pm tonight instead of this Monday.
Arkansas Granny
(31,869 posts)They had a really good daytime lineup and I was able to listen at work. I'll miss that.
oregonjen
(3,501 posts)I was listening when Al Franken first went live with his show. Very upset right now.
eyewall
(674 posts)That is devastating news! There is no alternative here except OPB which doesn't have any progressive voices like KPOJ. PLEASE OPB, pick up these fine programs.
There will be nothing to set our alarm to.
alp227
(32,477 posts)(Larson=a right wing talker whose show is carried throughout Oregon.)
His comment:
The pro-KPOJ comments ARE getting likes believe it or not:
oregonjen
(3,501 posts)Pretty upset. I wish another "Air America" without all the crap that happened, would suddenly appear. The first comment about the fear, hate and bigotry is true. I don't understand how people could listen to that. Liars (good one) Larson is so full of it. His disappearance from radio would truly warm my heart.
classof56
(5,376 posts)Un-flippin-believable! Love these comments, by the way. Larson has been such a waste of time and space for far too many years, hard to accept he's still spewing his garbage on the airwaves. And yet...he spews and KPOJ is gonna be a sports station. Go figure.
zwyziec
(173 posts)Kpoj is owned by clear channel who is owned by Bain capital. They couldn't get big bird so they killed Carl, thom, randy, Ed and Norman, the only intelligent people on all of radio.
Now we have fox news sports.
I feel like I just lost my best friends.
Join flush rush on Facebook and let's get revenge!!!
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)... for all of the other AM stations listed here. It's not comparing apples and oranges. The same thing happened when Clear Channel took down KLSD (progressive talk radio) in San Diego and replaced it with sports talk as well. It was also significantly lower powered than the competitors that were getting higher ratings with this added power that Clear Channel rationalized as the reason to switch to a sports format.
Clear Channel tried to get the antenna switched to 50,000 watts after the switch, but didn't get that to go through. If you look here on wikipedia note that when KLSD was progressive format, it had 1.6 rating. When it switched to sports it DROPPED down to 0.3. The business reasons are complete CRAP, and is what Clear Channel's game has been to get rid of progressive talk radio around the country. Read more at wikipedia at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KLSD
Also, check out the documentary "Save KLSD". I was down in San Diego then, and was part of a number of the protests there that were filmed in it. Have kept in touch with those who made the film, who had a showing of it here in Portland some months ago. I just sent an email to one of them perhaps to see if they could come out to have another showing with it being a lot more relevant to us now.
If you go to "Save KLSD"'s web site, it might give us some ideas on how to fight this, as they've gone through a lot of what we're just starting to go through now.
http://www.saveklsd.com/
A few things in our favor that KLSD didn't have going for it:
1) Thom Hartmann's ties to KPOJ ought to give it that much more attention. I remember actually trying to get Thom Hartmann to help bring attention to KLSD's problems then, but I think he was trying to be careful not to rock the boat too heavily with Clear Channel then. Now he has a lot less to lose, and probably more to be PO'd about too with what happened here. I have a feeling Clear Channel intentionally waited until right after the election, figuring that Thom Hartmann would have a drop in people watching then on his national television show on FSTV that would keep it from getting as much attention. It's up to us to make sure that they don't get away with "hiding" their actions.
2) Portland is a more liberal area than San Diego was, which was one reason I moved up here. San Diego definitely had its local controversies that got many of us riled up, like Duke Cunningham and many related scandals here, Blackwater, Carol Lamm getting fired, but I think the core listener base is probably a bigger part of the community here than it is down there.
3) Now we have more power in the state and local government here to help us in court as well as perhaps other efforts to get proper regulation and authorization for formats, etc. here locally perhaps in our favor.
Now here are some alternatives for you if you still need your talk radio fix.
1) FSTV has Thom Hartmann on every day if you get satellite TV. Current TV has Stephanie Miller, the Young Turks, Bill Press and others too that can help, but that doesn't help you when you're out and about.
2) I still kept (thankfully) my satellite radio subscription in my car for Sirius/XM. Sirius Left is good and carries a number of talkers like Thom Hartmann, Mike Malloy, Mark Thompson, etc. I'm a little concerned about Sirius and XM having merged, and now Liberty Communications has been making moves to acquire it, which might be a more "stealth" Newscorp like media company, who shares some ownership with it. We should be that much more adamant about keeping them from doing so, to help avoid the media consolidation which has given us monsters like Bain's Clear Channel.
3) I see that KBBR (1340) in Coos Bay also has progressive talk and isn't owned by Clear Channel. I wonder if some kind of deal could be made to get them to get a repeater up here in Portland to take the place of KPOJ? Perhaps if they get more ratings that way, they might enjoy the prospect of being able to have a local talk show host like Carl Wolfson if he could be persuaded to go down there from time to time too.
classof56
(5,376 posts)Guess if Big Money can't buy elections, they'll buy the airwaves. Makes me sick. I'll truly miss Carl, and I like your idea to have him partner up with the Coos Bay station. I have a notion KPOJ's listenership is about to take a huge dip. Not, apparently, that they care...
putter
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I go down to Coos Bay periodically for family obligations and always amazed they carry progressive talk down there, given such a conservative area. They also have a local talk show on weekly basis and the guy isn't too bad for Coos Bay standards. The station is owned by Bicoastal Media which locates in smaller markets in northern California, Oregon and Washington. Their largest market appears to be Eugene, but their only two stations with progressive talk appears to be only in Eureka and Coos Bay. They need to be able to stream KBBR on the web before anything else. Lately, I've been listening to the progressive station 1090 in Seattle on my iphone with the Tunein app. However, I hear rumors that station may also be going away. That station though is owned by CBS (not clear channel). Why is it that major progressive markets can't have progressive talk? Very interesting. We need more small media ownerships, such as Bicoastal, available in larger markets.
classof56
(5,376 posts)Caught the tag-end of a call to Thom yesterday that gave me my first clue something was terribly amiss re KPOJ. Tried to call them, of course no answer, wrote a frantic e-mail to Carl, then saw the WW report about his Facebook post. Quickly realized it was a Clear Channel station (which I knew but hadn't thought of) and thus the format change. Carl has had callers who are regular listeners from all across the nation, he scored many sponsors for the station, and they're throwing him under the bus, plus of course all the other progressive programs. Guess if they couldn't buy the election, they'll control the airwaves. For a sports format? Will be interesting to see how that works for 'em, but it won't be because I'm listening.
0rganism
(24,752 posts)KPOJ wasn't the first station featuring liberal talk in the Portland area, and now we know it won't be the last. KBOO isn't as predictable and there's a lot of different formats/interests represented, but it's community-owned and won't get shut down on some millionaire's whim. Plus, it's FM, so you get Grateful Dead concert reruns in stereo. http://kboo.fm
IMHO shutting down KPOJ right after the election is a pretty obvious revenge move. Sucks, but what can we do? Until we have a community-owned liberal talk station, we'll always be subject to the vicissitudes of corporate capitalists.
alp227
(32,477 posts)classof56
(5,376 posts)Have weighed in and will check it often. Just heard on Stephanie's show that the Seattle Progressive radio station is going to a sports format in January. What a completely idiotic management decision. We will not be silenced!
oregonjen
(3,501 posts)Blue Belle
(5,912 posts)I was always under the assumption that they got great ratings here. I am really going to miss KPOJ.
quakerboy
(14,197 posts)Because I was traveling for the last three months. Before that, regularly. And I can say that Tom Dwyer auto has given me good service on several occasions. Utterly bizarre choice.
love_katz
(2,870 posts)I am sorry to hear this.
Bain seems to be the bane of free thinkers everywhere.
Down with Clear Bull$hit(channel).
love_katz
(2,870 posts)Liars Larson went down to defeat.
Count me perfectly proud to be from Havanna on the Willamette.