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(49,079 posts)
Wed Sep 6, 2023, 01:57 PM Sep 2023

A Montana Town Faces a Homelessness Problem Similar to San Francisco and L.A.

Cross posting from Editorial Forum

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1016362723

MISSOULA, Mont.—This city boasts more than 400 acres of parks, many of which line the roaring Clark Fork River. Recently, they have become full of homeless people. Some 600 people without homes live in the Northern Rockies college town, triple the number of a decade ago, many of them in tents in city parks. Their presence has sown growing anger among residents who say the parks have become dirty and unsafe.

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Missoula has a decades-old law that makes it illegal to camp in a park, but can’t enforce it because of a 2018 ruling by the Ninth Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals that found removing anyone camping in a public space in its Western U.S. jurisdiction when there isn’t a shelter bed for them constitutes cruel and unusual punishment. Missoula has less than half the beds that would be necessary to comply with the order, most of which are already being used.

The ruling has frustrated leaders of major cities across the West, including Portland, Ore., San Francisco and Los Angeles, where homeless encampments have proliferated in parks. Democratic California Gov. Gavin Newsom criticized the order in an interview Tuesday with the San Francisco Chronicle, calling it “preposterous” and “inhumane.”

The struggles of Missoula, population 78,000, show that the ruling also is affecting smaller cities, which also are coping with increased street homelessness driven by rising housing costs. The average monthly cost of a one-bedroom apartment in Missoula is $1,195, up 50% from 2019, according to rental listings platform Zumper. Nationwide, the increase was 21%. “All of a sudden people can’t afford it and they’re out,” said Chris Sage, who coordinates homelessness data in Montana for a nonprofit group. Homelessness has grown 62% in the state since 2019.

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A Montana Town Faces a Homelessness Problem Similar to San Francisco and L.A. (Original Post) question everything Sep 2023 OP
Missoula is no liberal bastion RussBLib Sep 2023 #1
Montana has very cold winters, and camping by a river must be... brush Sep 2023 #2
Well, Missoula, better start building homes Merlot Sep 2023 #3
The ONLY social safety net sort of things... 2naSalit Sep 2023 #4
Safety net Murfdog Sep 2023 #6
Sounds interesting... 2naSalit Sep 2023 #7
Not an accurate description Murfdog Sep 2023 #8
Check... 2naSalit Sep 2023 #9
Bozeman isn't any better. 2naSalit Sep 2023 #5

brush

(58,018 posts)
2. Montana has very cold winters, and camping by a river must be...
Wed Sep 6, 2023, 02:24 PM
Sep 2023

even colder. How long can they stay there?

Merlot

(9,696 posts)
3. Well, Missoula, better start building homes
Wed Sep 6, 2023, 05:00 PM
Sep 2023
Ninth Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals that found removing anyone camping in a public space in its Western U.S. jurisdiction when there isn’t a shelter bed for them constitutes cruel and unusual punishment. Missoula has less than half the beds that would be necessary to comply with the order, most of which are already being used.


Not beds, homes. Figure it out and be happy you don't have other states giving homeless people bus tickets to your city.

2naSalit

(93,435 posts)
4. The ONLY social safety net sort of things...
Wed Sep 6, 2023, 05:59 PM
Sep 2023

That exist in Montana are those that re federal programs and the asshole governor is trying to deny a bunch of those to us as well.

There is not housing, I've been stuck in a cardboard box for the last two years, owned by the only nonprofit that does anything for people who aren't millionaires, and they are shitty landlords with the way they treat us.

I am wondering if I'll have to spend a bunch of what's left of my minute nest egg getting an RV. The last thing I want is to live on wheels again. Now I have a crazy person down the street trying to get me evicted. The individual came to my house, had a karen meltdown on my doorstep, then she calls the cops on me but I'm the bad guy according to the cops.

I hate this being poor shit, I did everything I could to avoid this and still, here I am wondering if I'll end up in my car again.

Life really sucks some days.

Murfdog

(5 posts)
6. Safety net
Thu Sep 7, 2023, 08:24 AM
Sep 2023

Hey 2Na ; wanna be a snowbird? We own and work a remote aggregate Mine in the mtns of SW Az , have a lot of space and could use a caretaker in the winter, summers in Sandpoint. I’m going to pass thru Missoula in about three weeks , we could meet?

2naSalit

(93,435 posts)
7. Sounds interesting...
Thu Sep 7, 2023, 11:15 AM
Sep 2023

If I were younger and in better shape physically, this wouldn't be a problem. The mining thing sounds interesting but I'd really have to think about that, not so fond of road travel being a retired driver and all.

I'd need to know a lot more, I'm not in Missoula, though. I'm down near Jellystone.

Murfdog

(5 posts)
8. Not an accurate description
Thu Sep 7, 2023, 01:54 PM
Sep 2023

Really. We don’t actually need a hand with anything but we have a relatively vast and underutilized resource. There might be a no obligation situation in which we might both benefit. I’ll likely spend my first travel night around Mackey Id around September 30. I don’t know how to privately message you. My wife and I are both in our 70’s BTW. Anyway, we’re both pretty private people that, through hard work, perserverence and good luck have an abundance of some stuff.

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