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Kokua needed. I am deep in a world-class flamewar in GD over the correct use of the term "haole". (Original Post) KamaAina Feb 2016 OP
I'm not Hawaiian, but doesn't that just mean 'white person'? nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2016 #1
Precisely. KamaAina Feb 2016 #2
How ignorantly sad the critics are. floriduck Feb 2016 #3
Mahalo nui loa! KamaAina Feb 2016 #4
Mahalo and gracias. floriduck Feb 2016 #5
My brother was a haole. Downwinder Feb 2016 #6
Never felt offended being called haole Jake Stern Feb 2016 #7
Have always thought of myself as kama'aina and a haole too. LTG Feb 2016 #8
Ho, buggah! You not one haole! You hapa! KamaAina Feb 2016 #9
That's what I tell them. LTG Feb 2016 #10
Just saw that. Rofl! mahina Feb 2016 #11
Oh good lord. I am SO glad I missed that. Hekate Mar 2016 #12
That's because all the African Americans on the windward side are at K-Bay. KamaAina Mar 2016 #13
Our next door neighbor was a Master Sargeant at the Marine base in Kaneohe... Hekate Mar 2016 #14
 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
2. Precisely.
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:30 PM
Feb 2016

One poster in particular is getting all butthurt about it being a racial slur.

 

floriduck

(2,262 posts)
3. How ignorantly sad the critics are.
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:42 PM
Feb 2016

I am a Kauai HS and Chaminade Univ. graduate who lived there and may return to the islands to live. If any of the outraged critics watched Hawaii Five-0, they'd know the term "haole" is Hawaiian for white person but it is not a racial slur unless presented as such via an adjective that is offensive. The TV series uses it often. You won't hear Italian, Jewish or AA terms on TV but you will hear the word "haole".

This is an example of two cultures that differ and the term, "When in Rome. . . ." applies. If anyone compares the Mainland culture to that of Hawaiian or Pacific Islander, they are just ignorant (by definition, not meant as a slam).

Relax brah, and Aloha!

LTG

(216 posts)
8. Have always thought of myself as kama'aina and a haole too.
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 06:17 AM
Feb 2016

My family arrived in Honolulu over 100 years ago. The family has lived in the same house in Honolulu for 80 years. The Japanese side of the family came to the Islands as indentured cane workers. Friends still call me haole, and doesn't bother me a bit. Just another one of those "local haoles".

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
9. Ho, buggah! You not one haole! You hapa!
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 12:10 PM
Feb 2016

I know haoles are not supposed to dabble in Pidgin, but the "Pidgin Shakespeare", Lois-Ann Yamanaka is a friend, and has granted me a special dispensation.

LTG

(216 posts)
10. That's what I tell them.
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 11:47 PM
Feb 2016

To which they reply- "Brah, hapa haole". With a grin of course.

Shoots. No can win.

Hekate

(95,281 posts)
12. Oh good lord. I am SO glad I missed that.
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 01:47 AM
Mar 2016

Sorry I'm a late arrival to this thread, but the print on my iPad mini is so mini that I often land where I didn't intend to these days.

After 8 years trying to explain on DU how Hawai'i and Hawaiian culture differ profoundly from the Mainland, I have just about given up.

I went to my HS reunion last October -- it was wonderful. I reconnected with folks I'd known since 5th grade at Kainalu Elementary. Kailua High School was where we ended up. Then graduated UH Manoa. Public school all the way.

As for African Americans, despite the military presence, there were all of 3 AA kids at KHS in the mid 60s in a school of almost 2,000. They were a tiny tiny minority, all military dependents, in a population of Asians, Polynesians, and haoles. Like me. I'm a haole, and was never a military dependent.

I read once that Michelle tells her husband's newer friends that they won't "get" Barack unless they "get" Hawai'i, and I believe that. It formed me deeply -- many of my classmates are expats like me, and a subtext to our reunion was how we carry Hawai'i with us wherever we are.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
13. That's because all the African Americans on the windward side are at K-Bay.
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 12:11 PM
Mar 2016

(Kaneohe Bay Marine Corps Station) Your 3 AA classmates must have been the children of officers.

And I never really realized that about "Barry", as he was known at Punahou. I guess that's because I "get" Hawai'i.

Hekate

(95,281 posts)
14. Our next door neighbor was a Master Sargeant at the Marine base in Kaneohe...
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 12:49 PM
Mar 2016

His daughter was in my class. The football player came from Camp LeJeune before Hawai'i and lived in Waimanalo. The last one was just some random freshman when I was a senior.

As for Punahou, I knew a couple of kids in Jr. Hi who peeled off to Punahou, but that took kala my family emphatically did not have. I really admire how the president's grandmother et al pulled together to see that the one child they had with them could have that opportunity (I'm the eldest of 4).

When I was a young(ish) married in the mid 1970s my then husband and baby and I lived in a condo in Waianae. We bought it during construction and had no idea the neighborhood would turn into overflow housing for the military -- enlisted men and their families, a few in the Sgt. range. Those wives were some truly unhappy women; one of them told me that Hawai'i should be classified as a "hardship post."

As an aside, there were a large number of AAs. There were also I thought were a surprising number of black/white couples given the era we were just emerging from.

And I was a local haole....

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