If Newsom gets recalled, we're Fucked. One of the repub nutjobs will win, just no idea which one it will be. Right now, Larry Elder is the frontrunner.

Which I don’t think it will

I think the polls are messed up, and making false assumptions about low voter turnout, and not considering that every registered voter in California will get a postage paid envelope to mail their ballot. They don’t have to go to the polls

https://www.lamag.com/citythinkblog/kevin-paffrath-recall/

I stand by what I said. If Newsom is recalled, we're Fucked.

Newsom isn't going to be recalled, but it doesn't hurt to have insurance.

I am very skeptical of the polls, and the media coverage of this recall.

One poll had the recall winning by 11 points, which was probably an outlier, since other pollsters are marking it as a dead heat, but I question even those.

I think assumptions are being made which have a good chance of being wrong.

The media keeps pushing the theme that republicans are more enthusiastic than Democrats, and that special elections "always" have low turnouts

The fact that 45% of the registered voters are Democrats, and something like 23% are republicans should provide an advantage to us. In addition, all registered voters will receive a postage paid mail in ballot, so the voter doesn't even have to go to the polls to vote. Just drop it in the mail box, or a drop box.

California insures all votes get counted

I did not realize that, so I will definitely put in a vote for him on the 2nd question.

It's going to come down to turnout, so hopefully every eligible Democrat returns their ballot.

Number one is to say "NO" to the recall. If you check that box you're done. Put the ballot in the envelope and mail it back.

If you go to the second item and pick a name, you're playing into the recall republicans game. And you just might invalidate your own ballot since you check both reponses.

Check only the first item, the "No" on recall to keep Newson.

I was led to believe you are voting on 2 different things. First the recall, and then who will replace Newsom if the recall passes.

They seemed mutually exclusive, meaning you could vote in the 2nd issue, just in case the 1st one passes.

Two separate votes. If there is a Dem running, I'd like to vote for them over Larry Elder. Stephanie Miller has worked in some proximity to him, and he sounds like a perv.

That means there's no need to go further. I read the instructions.

That makes no sense.

The same reason I carry a spare tire. Why do I need a 5th tire?

And if it was a matter of life and death, give me both - *AND* sexy, stylish undies, too!

and also vote for his potential replacement.

There's no restriction on voting on both items.

to someone else to replace him?

You don't have to vote on the second part. If you want him to stay, just vote "NO" on the recall.

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I'm not willing to disinfranchise myself by not voting for a potential replacement. There are some that are less bad than others.

You're voting for Newsom.

You will not invalidate your no vote on the recall if you select another candidate.

Ok?

so that a democratic replacement can be appointed. Her Senate seat is why repukes have their panties all bunched up over Newsom.

than Sanders or Leahy or any other older Democratic Senator with a Republican governor

The thing Californians will focus on is voting NO on question 1 of our ballot

We can handle out voting quite will thank-you

with her and her selfishness.

the state legislature could pass a law that any governor appointing anyone to Congress must pick someone from the same political party that vacated the office. Easy fix, actually. We have supermajorities in both houses of the legislature so the new Governor couldn't even make a veto hold up. In fact, he won't be able to do much of anything, except what republicans are good at. Shoot their mouths off and make fools of themselves. Long term, this will be the final nail in the coffin of the republican party in California.

be recalled

Allowing 12% of the voters to decide to have a recall vote seems highly undemocratic and long past-due reform.

An ounce of prevention..

Why haven't they acted on that matter, since they are so powerful?

While I don't know exactly what that entails, it's probably more difficult than just passing a new law. Maybe we will find out soon.

Voting NO is a vote for Newsom therefore you shouldn't select another candidate.
If he loses, he will in all likelihood lose to the Republican front runner anyway. This is because Democrats have no clear front runner and that will split the vote across the candidates leading Larry Elder to a win. So it's basically a moot point.

And as you said....

"If Newsom was recalled, the state legislature could pass a law that any governor appointing anyone to Congress must pick someone from the same political party that vacated the office. Easy fix, actually. We have supermajorities in both houses of the legislature so the new Governor couldn't even make a veto hold up. In fact, he won't be able to do much of anything, except what republicans are good at. Shoot their mouths off and make fools of themselves. Long term, this will be the final nail in the coffin of the republican party in California."

I've decided that I'm not going to choose a replacement. Either he beats this or we get a pretty ineffectual Republican for just over a year.


Does that sum it up or am I still not getting this?

Look at Kevin Paffrath, a Democrat who I think has our best chance

https://www.lamag.com/citythinkblog/kevin-paffrath-recall/

I assume so, but just checking.

if you want Newsom to stay.

I just said you can.

we want an insurance policy just in case

and vote "Yes" with a liberal replacement, thinking that it is safe to do so.

what they are doing

You can vote 'NO' *AND* vote for a replacement in case it passes.

Stop the factual inaccuracy.

If you don't want to vote for a 'D' as back-up, then DON'T, but *stop* the false information.

you want to keep Newsom. And FYI: Saying to vote "NO" on recall and you're done is not disinformation as it's true if you want to keep Newsom.

I give you that you're right about one can check a candidate on the second item on the ballot. I found that out later. But I still say the less people who go along with the tricky ballot and mark for someone else, the more chance there is of someone who gains only 15% or 20 or 25% of the vote can become governor because if not enough people vote "NO", the candidate with the most votes on Item 2 on the ballot wins. Remember, the whole thing is a republican-ginned up effort. The best thing to do if you're a Democrat and want to keep the Democratic governor is to vote for Newsom by voting "NO" on Item 1 on the recall ballot.

Here's another perspective of it.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215734780

I'm talking worst case scenario- a 'yes' outcome. But the only 'silver lining' being that the repukes split their vote more than we do so at least we end up with a Democratic governor anyway.

I don't want to change a tire, but I carry a flat.

Your opinion on voting no is, of course, completely valid; but you stating and not retracting factual inaccuracies can't stand unchallenged IMHO.

Regards.

Plus it would be a small consolation to watch Republican heads explode if the recall passes and we still have a Democratic governor.

But we're on the same page on this. As for your last paragraph, I'll pass.

Have a good day.

Just vote no.

It's a moot point to vote for anyone else.

As to who to vote for, I believe that our current governor has a second-in-command person who might run for the governor's post.

It's a woman, and I can't remember her name or official title!

a candidate so we don't default to one of the crazies.

You might want to look at Kevin Paffrath, a Democrat, since he is within the MOE of the leading alternatives.

Of course we are all voting NO on question 1, which if the recall fails makes question 2
irrelevent

as that's what the recall republicans want voters to do. It's a completely unfair recall process as there are so many other candidates on the ballot, someone with 20 percent or less of the voters may become governor.

If you check "NO", again, you're done. Just mail the ballot back.

Vote no and we’re done.

you might cancel out your ballot. It's tricky how these republicans have set up the ballot.

I mean if you want Newsom to stay, why give a vote to someone to replace him? It's tricky.

A NO vote is a vote FOR Newsom. There is no need to vote for anyone else.

See my post #44. I hope it makes sense.

As soon as we receive the ballots, we are to open the envelope and vote to keep Governor Newsom. No throwing the ballot on the counter and getting to it later. Not one person I deal with on a daily basis, is going to ignore this ballot. We all know it’s the trump cult and anti vaxer, Qjerks who are trying to rig California. Not gonna happen….