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mopinko

(71,958 posts)
Fri Apr 15, 2022, 08:36 PM Apr 2022

so, i have this pocketwatch.

i bumped into an old pocketwatch that belonged to my da. i thought i had lost it, so i am thrilled i found it.
it's a beat up old thing, no crystal, no hands, cant wind. i think it is the watch that he won in a sales contest in school. not sure. it could be a graduation gift, as the timing is about right, but there's no engraving. so....
anyway, it seems to be an odd duck of a watch. havent been able to find one JUST like it, but this one, in great shape, is close-


sorry, dont have a photo account, but here is a fb thread w pics- https://www.facebook.com/mo.cahill.3/posts/10158298753775810

these are the stats, based on the serial number. https://pocketwatchdatabase.com/search/result/elgin/26777423

any thoughts on getting it restored? in a way it's precious the way it is, as that's the only way i know it. it's 30 years older than i am. monetarily, i doubt it's worth it, tho as i said, it's not a common one. it is higher end. 17 jewels, 14k gold filled case, as opposed to 10k. and that fancy dial.
and i sure would love to see it run.
i would at least like to clean that dial up. what is safe to use?

what would you do?

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so, i have this pocketwatch. (Original Post) mopinko Apr 2022 OP
Take it to someone who repairs watches and see what it Phoenix61 Apr 2022 #1
what? leave the house? mopinko Apr 2022 #3
Well, what I did for Grandpop's 1890's Santa Fe RR watch is fix it up... El Supremo Apr 2022 #2
good thing i'm divorced. mopinko Apr 2022 #4
Gears shouldn't be worn much unless... El Supremo Apr 2022 #5
No matter how well you maintain a fine watch or clock, parts will wear out over time and Martin68 Apr 2022 #7
I have two of my grandfather's gold pocket watches and an antique mantle that didn't run. Martin68 Apr 2022 #6
there's a big one here- mopinko Apr 2022 #8
I have a similar one. Pobeka Apr 2022 #9
def worth more if working. mopinko Apr 2022 #10
About 15-20 years ago, I took 2 heirloom wristwatches to a local jeweler Marthe48 Apr 2022 #11
it def needs parts, beyond hands, a crystal, and a spring. mopinko Apr 2022 #12
I don't know a lot about old watches Marthe48 Apr 2022 #13
it's a pretty high end model. mopinko Apr 2022 #14
lol. i'm chuckling to myself. mopinko Apr 2022 #15
Would it work as a wall clock among the miniatures? Marthe48 Apr 2022 #16
yeah close enough mopinko Apr 2022 #17
I would open the back and get the serial numbers to date the watch bucolic_frolic May 2022 #18
i was able to open it. mopinko May 2022 #19
There are still people who repair and restore old watches bucolic_frolic May 2022 #20
i have a friend of a friend who will probably doing for a reasonable price. mopinko May 2022 #21

mopinko

(71,958 posts)
3. what? leave the house?
Fri Apr 15, 2022, 08:50 PM
Apr 2022

srsly, i'll take it to a friend who is an antique dealer. i'm sure she knows a guy.
lots of them in chi.

mostly i'm curious about that fancy dial. they seem rare, and of all the ones i've seen, no 2 are alike.

El Supremo

(20,384 posts)
2. Well, what I did for Grandpop's 1890's Santa Fe RR watch is fix it up...
Fri Apr 15, 2022, 08:48 PM
Apr 2022

oiled and new plastic crystal. I put it in a glass cover. He was an operator (telegrapher) for several railroads and had hocked it many times. My wife hasn't forgiven me yet for what I spent.

Yours looks like a very pretty watch. Does it have a face plate cover?

mopinko

(71,958 posts)
4. good thing i'm divorced.
Fri Apr 15, 2022, 08:53 PM
Apr 2022

yeah, things are tight right now. so i'm not gonna do it next week.
there's at least one fried gear in there. on the plus side, tho, it didnt run for all that long. 20 yrs, max. shouldnt be that worn. right?

El Supremo

(20,384 posts)
5. Gears shouldn't be worn much unless...
Fri Apr 15, 2022, 08:56 PM
Apr 2022

it wasn't oiled and maintained properly. But they can be replaced for not a lot of money.

Martin68

(24,728 posts)
7. No matter how well you maintain a fine watch or clock, parts will wear out over time and
Fri Apr 15, 2022, 09:30 PM
Apr 2022

need replacement. Some repairs are easy and inexpensive, others are not.

Martin68

(24,728 posts)
6. I have two of my grandfather's gold pocket watches and an antique mantle that didn't run.
Fri Apr 15, 2022, 09:29 PM
Apr 2022

It took me a while, but I found a person who repairs antique clocks and watches. One watch was merely a matter of getting a new key. The other watch needs a replacement for a damaged part. He's been checking at conventions and other watch repair type get-togethers where experts can share their collections of antique spare parts. If not, he can arrange for the part to be hand-made - an expensive process. Partly because of Covid I've been waiting for a year and a few months. An antique mantle clock he was able to repair quite nicely. Finding a skilled horologist is the hard part.

Pobeka

(4,999 posts)
9. I have a similar one.
Fri Apr 15, 2022, 09:46 PM
Apr 2022

Not the same. It's been a while since I laid eyes on it. Now I'll have to go looking...

I guess if it was me, I'd be tempted to see if someone could get it running, give it a little cleanup. But that's mainly because I think pocket watches are special and cool.

I'd be worried about trying to clean it myself, not knowing what might end up getting into the watch itself and corrupting the mechanism.

Might be worth trying to determine if the ability for it to work increases its value somehow?

mopinko

(71,958 posts)
10. def worth more if working.
Fri Apr 15, 2022, 10:02 PM
Apr 2022

not that that matters to me. it's going nowhere.
i assume anywhere i take it would clean it as part of the deal. but if i were to just love it as it is, i'd at least polish it up.

Marthe48

(19,323 posts)
11. About 15-20 years ago, I took 2 heirloom wristwatches to a local jeweler
Sat Apr 23, 2022, 01:23 PM
Apr 2022

who cleaned and serviced them. I paid $75.00 each for his work. I don't think he replaced any parts.
One belonged to my great aunt on one side of the family, and one belonged to my great aunt on the other side. I gave one to each of my daughters for Christmas. The girls loved them as gifts. They are still using them once in awhile.

mopinko

(71,958 posts)
12. it def needs parts, beyond hands, a crystal, and a spring.
Sat Apr 23, 2022, 01:27 PM
Apr 2022

i've found a couple places to take it to, including one in the hood.
they made almost a million of these watches, so there ought to be parts out there. not to mention other elgins that used a lot of the same parts.

Marthe48

(19,323 posts)
13. I don't know a lot about old watches
Sat Apr 23, 2022, 01:33 PM
Apr 2022

Some of the pocket watches were inexpensively made especially for workingmen, and the quality went up from there.

I had the 2 watches restored, and about 2 years ago, had an heirloom pin repaired. There is a lot of satisfaction seeing something like that made usable for another generation. I hope you find someone who will repair it for a reasonable price and do good work.

mopinko

(71,958 posts)
14. it's a pretty high end model.
Sat Apr 23, 2022, 02:13 PM
Apr 2022

it's top of the line guts, w a middle grade case. but you dont see many w those fancy dials.

i do hope to get it running, but i'd be happy to just have it shine.

mopinko

(71,958 posts)
15. lol. i'm chuckling to myself.
Sat Apr 23, 2022, 02:16 PM
Apr 2022

i was thinking, yeah, shine it up, put it in a bell jar, and put it on display w my other treasures.
then-oh, but some of those treasures are miniature furniture, arranged in rooms. i can hang it on the wall!

Marthe48

(19,323 posts)
16. Would it work as a wall clock among the miniatures?
Sat Apr 23, 2022, 03:21 PM
Apr 2022

Like a scene for forced perspective photography

bucolic_frolic

(47,585 posts)
18. I would open the back and get the serial numbers to date the watch
Sat May 21, 2022, 07:53 AM
May 2022

There will be online indexes of serial numbers, models perhaps, I think on the Elgin site but could also be on an antique watch site. I don't remember which.

mopinko

(71,958 posts)
19. i was able to open it.
Sat May 21, 2022, 08:27 AM
May 2022

it's an elgin 345, 17 jewels. pretty close to top of the line watch.
had a friend look at it and she thinks it's in pretty good shape.

it's interesting. you dont see that many w the fancy dial, but i have yet to see 2 the same.

bucolic_frolic

(47,585 posts)
20. There are still people who repair and restore old watches
Sat May 21, 2022, 08:41 AM
May 2022

There was one near me in NJ, but I know he's expensive and there is always the problem of old parts. I need a crystal for example. I think the craft dies out as parts become unobtainable, prices for repair go up, so people give up. People buy them for precious metal content and toss the guts.

I've never dealt with this guy, but he might give you an email opinion.

https://gnflea.com/RobsPlace.html

mopinko

(71,958 posts)
21. i have a friend of a friend who will probably doing for a reasonable price.
Sat May 21, 2022, 08:46 AM
May 2022

but yeah, parts. there do seem to be a lot of them on ebay. friend thought it would cost about $150 just for the crystal and hands. but i've seen parts dealers on ebay that get about $25 for a crystal.

there are still a few good watchmakers on jewelers row here, but my friend says a lot of them shut down in the plague.

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