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highplainsdem

(62,256 posts)
Sat Apr 4, 2026, 01:29 PM Yesterday

Niagara posted a thread yesterday on the Oregon Trail computer game. Has anyone here visited sites on the Trail?

Niagara's thread is here - https://www.democraticunderground.com/10182302532 - with some cool background on the game, which was originally designed for Minnesota schools in the 1970s. A number of Loungers remembered it. I'd gone to school in St. Paul, but in the 1960s when my dad worked for KSTP, before the game existed, and had never heard of it before Niagara's post, though Wikipedia has a lot on it - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Oregon_Trail_(series) - and there are other links in Niagara's thread.

I had heard of the Oregon Trail, of course, though my ancestors who emigrated from Germany came over decades after those wagon trains had made that dangerous trip west. I've mentioned in other posts here that my grandfather's farm was in northeast Kansas, on the northern edge of the Flint Hills. Fairly close to Alcove Spring, which I'd played in when I was a kid.

Wikipedia has an article on Alcove Spring - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcove_Springs - using the alternate spelling of the name.

Alcove Springs was a popular stop along the Oregon Trail near Independence Crossing in Marshall County, Kansas. Travelers along the trail gave the springs its name. The words "Alcove Springs," carved into the hard limestone cliff by the Donner Party, can still be seen, although some of the carving has weathered away.[2] It is located about four miles north of Blue Rapids, along the Big Blue River.

Across the road from the Alcove Springs park is another park commemorating the Oregon Trail and features history, wagon swales and a D.A.R. marker memorializing Sarah Keyes, a member of the Donner Party who died in 1846. The exact location of her burial is unknown.

Alcove Springs was listed on the National Register of Historic Places in 1972.[1][3]


My parents didn't tell us about the Donner Party. Probably thought that tragic story wasn't appropriate for young kids. But we knew wagon trains had stopped there, leaving marks easy to see on the ground, and carvings in the rocks. We played under that waterfall.

My grandfather's farm nearby included two spring-fed streams (their origins, which we never saw, not on the farm), with rocks similar to those you see in the photo of Alcove Spring that Wikipedia used. But the larger stream, which flooded fairly often, had carved into the north side of the wooded limestone hill the farmhouse was built on the south side of, leaving a cliff over a wide bend in the creek, with fallen boulders up to a couple of feet across in shallower water at the edge of the creek below. We oldest grandkids (two of my siblings and I with two of our cousins, whose dad, my mom's brother, had a farm near my grandfather's) used to climb across that cliff, often holding on to tree roots (years later I decided I'd never let children do that), so it never occurred to us not to play in Alcove Spring, and I imagine kids still do.

Some links about Alcove Spring:

From the National Park Sevice, with video and a 19th century painting:

https://www.nps.gov/places/000/alcove-spring.htm

https://www.nps.gov/places/000/alcove-spring-swales.htm


Another link, with photos. including one showing a steep hillside (this part of Kansas is NOT flat) -

https://kansassampler.org/8wondersofkansas-geography/alcove-spring-near-blue-rapids


TripAdvisor page with lots of photos/reviews:

https://www.tripadvisor.com/Attraction_Review-g38581-d3427840-Reviews-Alcove_Springs-Blue_Rapids_Kansas.html

Video about preserving the park:




Curious about whether other DUers have been to other stops along the Trail.
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Niagara posted a thread yesterday on the Oregon Trail computer game. Has anyone here visited sites on the Trail? (Original Post) highplainsdem Yesterday OP
Yes, outside Baker City, Oregon. NT mahatmakanejeeves Yesterday #1
Was just looking at some links about that. I had no idea that part of Oregon had sagebrush Looks highplainsdem Yesterday #3
I did Jilly_in_VA Yesterday #2
Just found a website about that, with an 1859 photo of a wagon: highplainsdem Yesterday #5
Funny you should ask... 2naSalit Yesterday #4
Wow. Googling this. 500 miles of the Trail in Idaho alone. highplainsdem Yesterday #6
I lived in the area... 2naSalit Yesterday #7
Incredibly rough going there: highplainsdem Yesterday #10
Yes... 2naSalit Yesterday #11
I looked at a lot of videos of the Idaho section of the trail this afternoon. Even going downhill could be highplainsdem 18 hrs ago #13
Yes, I was at Independence Rock in 1986... Harker Yesterday #8
Had to google that, too: highplainsdem Yesterday #9
I've visited a couple or three... Vogon_Glory 23 hrs ago #12
I'll have to look up all of those. Just looked at some videos of Deadman's Pass, and I agree with what highplainsdem 18 hrs ago #14
Rocky Ridge was another landmark Vogon_Glory 9 hrs ago #15
Just read about the incompetent planning/leadership that led to so many Mormons in two handcart companies highplainsdem 1 hr ago #16

Jilly_in_VA

(14,405 posts)
2. I did
Sat Apr 4, 2026, 01:34 PM
Yesterday

many years ago, when I was a kid. I don't remember where, though. And I have visited St. Joseph, MO, which was a jumping-off point for a lot of them.

2naSalit

(102,904 posts)
4. Funny you should ask...
Sat Apr 4, 2026, 01:45 PM
Yesterday

I lived along the trail, or portions of it, in southern Idaho. I was a few miles from Goodale's cutoff. which traveled through and along the Snake River Plain, across parts of what is now the Fort Hall Indian Reservation. But I have been to the Silent City of Rocks where many remnant signs of the wagon trains exist. There are many spots in SE Idaho around Soda Springs and Lava Hot Springs that were mentioned in some of the travelers' journals, places you can find today.

I've probably seen about three hundred miles of the trail in the western states, many points along the way.

2naSalit

(102,904 posts)
7. I lived in the area...
Sat Apr 4, 2026, 02:38 PM
Yesterday

For about 15 years and attended ISU during that time, went on many field trips and examined many spots where the remnants are clear. It was pretty rough going through Idaho since they had to cross the lava beds which are not easy on anything that passed over them from wheels of any kind to feet of any creature. Lava, basalt, is hard to walk on and after a brief hike, you can get pretty worn out.

It is an incredibly unique landscape.

highplainsdem

(62,256 posts)
10. Incredibly rough going there:
Sat Apr 4, 2026, 03:41 PM
Yesterday
https://www.nps.gov/places/craters-of-the-moon-the-oregon-trail.htm

The 230-mile spur headed north from Fort Hall toward Big Southern Butte, a conspicuous landmark on the Snake River Plain. From there it passed near the present-day town of Arco, wound through the northern part of Craters of the Moon National Monument and Preserve, went southwest to Camas Prairie, and ended at Fort Boise. This journey typically took two to three weeks.

Goodale's Cutoff took its toll on the travelers and their wagons. The rugged lava restricted travel to one lane, so progress was slow.

The path along the edge of the lava flows was circuitous. The emigrants typically passed through in late July, the hottest part of the summer. Wood dried out in the desert air and shrank, causing wheels and boxes to come apart. Pioneers wrote of finding pieces of broken wagons littering the trail.

2naSalit

(102,904 posts)
11. Yes...
Sat Apr 4, 2026, 04:04 PM
Yesterday

And they also had a lot of issues going over the mountains before that. Their wagons were often overloaded, they demanded too much from their horses and oxen. The used chains and rope to help ease their loads over steep inclines, left forever marks. There are also places where some left notes or their names carved into boulders. Ruts are still visible in many places and the sage is still bigger than surrounding areas, the livestock provided enough fertilizer for a change in the growth of local sagebrush.

Pretty crazy out there. I am quite familiar with the areas mentioned.

highplainsdem

(62,256 posts)
13. I looked at a lot of videos of the Idaho section of the trail this afternoon. Even going downhill could be
Sat Apr 4, 2026, 10:20 PM
18 hrs ago

dangerous.




This was interesting, too - a modern wagon trip along the Goodale Cutoff. But you'll have to watch it on YouTube because of that TV station's settings.




Harker

(17,821 posts)
8. Yes, I was at Independence Rock in 1986...
Sat Apr 4, 2026, 02:39 PM
Yesterday

on my way to or from Yellowstone from North Central Colorado.

Vogon_Glory

(10,302 posts)
12. I've visited a couple or three...
Sat Apr 4, 2026, 06:05 PM
23 hrs ago

Scott’s Bluff, Fort Laramie, Deep Rut Hill, Devil’s Gate, South Pass, and Independence Rock.

Also, the reproduction fort at Fort Caspar and the nearby reproduction bridge (Unlike the one burned in 1867, it doesn’t cross the Platte).

I also poked around the areas where there was supposedly a ferry across the Green River, the Ninth Crossing of the Sweetwater River in Wyoming (The junction for the Lander Cut-off).

Later on I visited Baker City, OR and poked around Flagpole Hill (the museum was closed that day). Deadman’s Pass does not look like someplace I’d care to take a covered wagon.

I also visited the reproduction Fort Vancouver in Washington state.

I still want to visit more landmarks along the Lander Road as well as the Oregon Trail landmarks in Idaho, despite the appalling actions of the Idaho legislature.

highplainsdem

(62,256 posts)
14. I'll have to look up all of those. Just looked at some videos of Deadman's Pass, and I agree with what
Sat Apr 4, 2026, 10:42 PM
18 hrs ago

you said about it.

Looks like some of the more recent videos about wagon trains on the Oregon Trail were made using AI. Just noticed one about a wagon train that didn't actually happen. So aggravating...

Vogon_Glory

(10,302 posts)
15. Rocky Ridge was another landmark
Sun Apr 5, 2026, 07:50 AM
9 hrs ago

Rocky Ridge was another Oregon Trail landmark. It’s touted as a Mormon Trail landmark these days, but way back when, EVERYBODY had to cross it, at least until the Seminoe cut-off was opened.

The Ridge isn’t much to look at: just rock strata eroded to ground level and tilted to one side, but it must have been one hell of a wheel-buster and had to be crossed very slowly and very carefully. It doesn’t phase anyone with present-day off-road rubber tires, but those didn’t exist in the 1840’s, the 1850’s, and the 1860’s.

I’d wanted to get out and linger a bit but there were one, two, three bus-loads of present-day Mormon pilgrims at the site and there wasn’t anyplace to park.

highplainsdem

(62,256 posts)
16. Just read about the incompetent planning/leadership that led to so many Mormons in two handcart companies
Sun Apr 5, 2026, 04:09 PM
1 hr ago

dying:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willie_and_Martin_handcart_companies

Thirteen people in one company died just climbing Rocky Ridge in a snowstorm on October 23, 1856. They'd left Omaha on the trek west in August, nearly three months later than they were told they should have. By early October in Wyoming they'd cut food rations to 12 ounces a day, and they cut luggage to 10 lbs per person to lighten the carts, dumping a lot of clothing and blankets. They lost more than 200 people out of less than a thousand in those two companies.

Many of the survivors had to have fingers, toes, or limbs amputated due to severe frostbite.


And many of the people on that trek were children. Tragic. And apparently no one was held responsible.

I'd never heard of the handcart pioneers before:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormon_handcart_pioneers

I'd wondered why YouTube searches for Rocky Ridge were turning up videos of young Mormons reenacting that trek (in good weather, at least).
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