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Johnny2X2X

(21,961 posts)
Thu Jan 2, 2025, 03:45 PM Jan 2

Tesla Bumper Sticker I saw today

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“I bought this before we knew Elon was Crazy!”

I was considering a Tesla for a while, but no way am I buying a car from a fascist now. I do expect some people who really hate Trump to still buy Tesla if it’s the best car for them.

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LetMyPeopleVote

(156,197 posts)
1. Tesla sales dropped 1.1% in 2024, its first annual decline in a dozen years
Thu Jan 2, 2025, 04:13 PM
Jan 2

People are getting tired of Musk and are stopping to buy Teslas



https://apnews.com/article/tesla-sales-2024-drop-electric-vehicles-69af17c4e606625694af8293db25b2f3

DETROIT (AP) — Tesla posted its first annual sales drop in more than a dozen years Thursday, sinking a stock that has soared since Donald Trump’s victory on optimism Elon Musk’s close relationship to the president-elect will help the company.

Tesla’s global vehicle sales rose 2.3% in the final quarter thanks to 0% financing, free charging and low-priced leases. But that was not enough for billionaire Musk’s most valuable holding to overcome a sluggish start to 2024.

The Austin, Texas, company sold 495,570 vehicles from October through December, boosting deliveries to 1.79 million for the full year. That was 1.1% below 2023 sales of 1.81 million as overall demand for electric vehicles in the U.S. and elsewhere slowed.

The year-over-year global sales drop is Tesla’s first since 2011, according to figures from analytics firm Global Data. The company sold 1,306 vehicles in 2010, but that dropped slightly to 1,129 the following year.

PortTack

(34,925 posts)
3. Tesla sales are expected to drop 7+% in 2025
Thu Jan 2, 2025, 04:53 PM
Jan 2

T
Tesla EVs ranked among the worst in annual reliability survey by Consumer Reports

https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/tesla-evs-ranked-among-worst-annual-reliability-survey-consumer-reports

They also have a terrible resale value

aggiesal

(9,575 posts)
6. There are also more options then just Tesla. ...
Thu Jan 2, 2025, 05:02 PM
Jan 2

The CEO at the company where I work, mentioned in a meeting, that EV sales have declined.
I corrected him by saying that EV sales have actually gone up, only Tesla has dropped.
That is the RW myth.

iluvtennis

(20,973 posts)
7. Good. There are other EV options out there (e.g., Chevy Volt et al). n/t
Thu Jan 2, 2025, 05:09 PM
Jan 2

cer7711

(533 posts)
2. Raccons Love Teslas!
Thu Jan 2, 2025, 04:45 PM
Jan 2

They claw the shit out of these vehicles mistaking them for garbage dumpsters.

https://www.tiktok.com/@unique.planet/video/7409334497151388960?lang=en

chouchou

(1,500 posts)
12. I love that! Yep..makes perfect sense.
Thu Jan 2, 2025, 06:33 PM
Jan 2

Number9Dream

(1,667 posts)
4. There are many electric vehicle alternatives by many manufacturers
Thu Jan 2, 2025, 04:56 PM
Jan 2

groundloop

(12,424 posts)
5. Exactly. And superior to what Tesla offers.
Thu Jan 2, 2025, 05:01 PM
Jan 2

Now that prices are coming down and range is increasing our next car could very well be electric, there's plenty of good looking offerings out there. But no way in hell would I buy a Tesla.

JPK

(697 posts)
8. I bought a VOLT
Thu Jan 2, 2025, 05:11 PM
Jan 2

It's a 2019 and it had 45k on the odometer. Looked brand new. Paid $20K total with tax and tags. I have driven it for 15 months and have used about $150 worth of gas in that time. It is a hybrid sort of. I drive it around town on electric and have never needed to use gas except when going out of town for some distance. Fifty eight miles per charge gets me anywhere I want to go in town.

NNadir

(34,927 posts)
9. I would never buy an electric car, particularly because I understand the PJM grid on which I live. They're dirty.
Thu Jan 2, 2025, 05:42 PM
Jan 2

I discussed it here, with respect to a scientific paper demonstrating that an electric car on my grid has a worse climate profile than a gasoline car: A paper addressing the idea that electric cars are "green."

A graphic from that post with the caption in the original paper:



Figure 6. Consequential life cycle air emission externalities per vehicle in 2019, assuming 10% of the light-duty passenger car fleet in PJM’s service area is replaced with PEVs. “ICEV” denotes a conventional internal combustion engine vehicle, “HEV” denotes a standard gasoline hybrid electric vehicle (NiMH battery), “PHEV20” denotes a plug-in hybrid electric vehicle with a battery range of 20 miles (Li-ion battery with NMC111 cathode chemistry), and “BEV300” denotes a battery electric with a battery range of 300 miles (Li-ion battery with NMC622 cathode chemistry). “CC” indicates that battery charge schedules are optimally controlled by PJM to minimize system operation costs, and “UC” indicates that battery charging is uncontrolled (i.e., initiated by the vehicle owner as soon as they complete their daily driving and arrive home. “Production” includes disposal and recycling; “Vehicle Use” includes tailpipe emissions and tire and brake wear).


All of this crap is based on the lie people like to tell themselves that electricity is "green." It isn't. It's overwhelmingly produced by the combustion of dangerous fossil fuels with a huge thermodynamic penalty. All the stupid photographs of wilderness industrialized to make inefficient solar and wind power plants, lipstick on the fossil fuel pig, will not make electricity "green." They will only make things worse faster, which they are effectively doing.

The Disastrous 2024 CO2 Data Recorded at Mauna Loa: Yet Another Update 12/08/2024

Despite understanding the enormous ethical consequences of lithium batteries as expressed in cobalt slavery I drive a hybrid car, at best a moral compromise of a type. From a thermodynamic sense, they involve exergy recovery from the fossil fuel energy, chiefly braking and idling that would be rejected to the environment in an ordinary ICE powered car. The 2024 Toyota Camry hybrid I drive can achieve, with judicious use of cruise control and doing the speed limit as often as possible, greater than the rated 51 mpg, more typically 55+ mpg. That doesn't make me or my car "green." It just makes us less filthy, again, a moral compromise I lack the courage to suspend.

It is unsurprising to me that Elon Musk, graduate of Apartheid, has managed to exploit ignorance and wishful thinking to engineer the downfall of the United States. It is a demonstration of how advertising and credulity can lead to disaster, in this case, to repeat, the probable fall of the United States.

Demobrat

(9,977 posts)
10. I've seen a few of those around the Bay Area.
Thu Jan 2, 2025, 06:07 PM
Jan 2

The progressives who made the car into a cult are on the wrong side now.
And those garbage dumpster trucks- holy crap are they ugly. Every time I see one parked somewhere someone is standing staring at it. I’ve stood and stared at it.

Those awful sharp edges. For some reason it makes me think of the sharp edge of the can that cuts your finger. Ugly, dangerous, and useless.

ProfessorGAC

(70,953 posts)
11. You Left Out The Part...
Thu Jan 2, 2025, 06:28 PM
Jan 2

...where the made the exterior out of N-304 stainless which doesn't do well with chlorides.
Half the country puts chlorides on the ground in the winter.
Some of those regions, plus more, live near salt water spray.
It leaches nickel & chromium from the matrix. This causes micro & nano cracking compromising tensile strength.
And it exposes more iron to oxidation, aka rust.
Since chromium chloride is purple, nickel chloride is green, & iron oxide is orange, I think a lot of these tryck will have an ugly brown patina in a few years.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,811 posts)
13. The things look like the below builder grade stainless steel sink in my first apartment.
Thu Jan 2, 2025, 06:39 PM
Jan 2

ProfessorGAC

(70,953 posts)
16. Funny You Mention That
Thu Jan 2, 2025, 07:04 PM
Jan 2

Most sinks are made of 18-0, which is just like 304, but no nickel.
Because there is no nickel, it's a little less prone to stress corrosion cracking.
A lot of flatware is made from that too.
It's readily available, so it's not a cost thing.
I think it would have better to use aluminum and paint the thing!

 

Unladen Swallow

(491 posts)
15. My favorite part of the tesla truck
Thu Jan 2, 2025, 06:51 PM
Jan 2

is the door seam, where you can see fingerprints like you do on a stainless range top or an over-used cell phone screen

Evolve Dammit

(19,315 posts)
14. Knowing how much this fascist profits, letting his BS fly, there is ZERO chance I would consider. And I love electric
Thu Jan 2, 2025, 06:40 PM
Jan 2

Emile

(31,295 posts)
17. Locking
Thu Jan 2, 2025, 07:30 PM
Jan 2

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