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FakeNoose

(41,992 posts)
Tue Apr 21, 2026, 01:36 PM Tuesday

Steve Schmidt: They stole the Pope's stone. Now they're attacking the Pope



Link: https://steveschmidt.substack.com/p/they-stole-the-popes-stone-now-theyre

There are moments in American history when the country is forced to confront a hard truth: the most dangerous threats to its ideals rarely come from foreign armies. They come from within — born of fear, sharpened by grievance, and legitimized by movements that mistake exclusion for patriotism.

In the 1850s, that threat organized itself into a political force known as the American Party — the formal home of what the country came to call the “Know Nothings.”

The name itself tells you everything. It did not begin as a slogan, but as a tactic. Members of the movement operated through secret societies, most notably the Order of the Star-Spangled Banner. When asked about their activities, they were instructed to reply: “I know nothing.”

It was a wink and a shield — deniability wrapped in conspiracy. Over time, the phrase became their identity. The “Know Nothings.” A movement defined not by what it stood for, but by what it feared. And what it feared most was the changing face of America.

In the 1840s and 1850s, the United States experienced a massive wave of immigration, particularly from Ireland and the German states. Millions arrived in the span of a decade. The Irish came fleeing famine, which had decimated their homeland. The Germans came escaping political upheaval and economic hardship in the aftermath of the revolutions of 1848. Many of both groups were Catholic.

They arrived poor. They arrived desperate. They were different. And for many native-born Protestants, they arrived as a threat.

The anxiety was not subtle. It was apocalyptic. Catholic immigrants were accused of being agents of a foreign power — the Vatican. It was said that they would obey the Pope over the Constitution. That they would vote as a bloc. That they would corrupt American institutions from within. It was conspiracy thinking elevated into political doctrine.

The American Party surged on this fear. It won elections. It took control of legislatures. It governed cities. And it carried with it a message as blunt as it was dangerous: that to be fully American, one must be Protestant, native-born, and culturally compliant.

Then came the moment that revealed the movement’s character with perfect clarity.

In 1854, attention turned to the rising structure on the National Mall — the Washington Monument. It was meant to be a unifying tribute to George Washington, funded by public donations and contributions from around the world. Among those contributions was a block of marble sent by Pope Pius IX. It was a symbolic gesture of respect from the Catholic world to the American founding.

To the “Know Nothings,” it was an outrage.

One night in March 1854, a group of nativist agitators staged what can only be described as a politically-motivated armed robbery. They broke into the construction site, overpowered the watchman, seized the papal stone, and carried it away. Within days, it was dumped into the Potomac River.

It was not vandalism. It was ideological violence.
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Recommended reading, Steve tells a fascinating story that parallels to today's political violence and hateful acts towards immigrants. Please read the rest on Steve Schmidt's "The Warning."

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EYESORE 9001

(29,828 posts)
1. There is nothing new under the sun
Tue Apr 21, 2026, 01:48 PM
Tuesday

I have tread bluffs where cannon fire was directed across the Ohio River at Swiss colonists (Roman Catholic) as they made their way to the settlement in Indiana. They fired upon everyone - men, women, clergy, livestock, etc. I know a descendant of one of the zealots behind the cannon fire, who told me that his grandfather - two or three generations removed from this terrorism - kept an arsenal in storage for the day of catholic uprising.

FakeNoose

(41,992 posts)
2. Oddly enough, a lot of Catholics are voting R now, and it's all over the abortion issue
Tue Apr 21, 2026, 01:53 PM
Tuesday

Before Roe v. Wade, most Catholics voted D ... simply because Democratic policies are closer to the tenets of Catholicism than anything you can find in the Repuke Party.

Walleye

(45,118 posts)
4. I don't get this, they have their Supreme Court. What the hell more do they want?
Tue Apr 21, 2026, 02:01 PM
Tuesday

Women are going to get pregnant. That’s just the way things happen and a lot of times it’s unwanted the rapists in this administration should understand that. I’m certain that Republicans believe that God knows how they vote and will punish them

FakeNoose

(41,992 posts)
6. OK let's not get into this now
Tue Apr 21, 2026, 02:19 PM
Tuesday

Catholics are taught that it's murder and a mortal sin.

Not all Catholics believe that, and it's not mentioned anywhere in the Bible. It's just one more thing that has been shoved down their throats since their early toddler years. (I can say this because I was raised and educated a Catholic, and I received the regular treatment until age 18 or so.)

Here's where I part with the teachings, and I believe most sincere christian-thinking people do, including liberals of every type. What I've been taught to believe are the rules for me only. No one has the right to demand that their own rules MUST BE everyone else's rules, especially when it treads on the rights and freedoms of others. Abortion is one of those gray areas, and too many Catholics have been turned into MAGAs on this issue alone.

Every person of the Catholic faith should be saying to themselves: "I believe abortion is wrong for me, and I respect that every American has the right to make his or her own decision in this regard."

hlthe2b

(114,250 posts)
5. I first encountered anti-Catholic ugliness as a young child, in the deep South...
Tue Apr 21, 2026, 02:09 PM
Tuesday

--where I lived for a few years. I was not Catholic myself, but my friend was. I got to experience the ugly chants of "mackeral-snapper" (Fish on Friday) and overhear the nasty comments. I didn't get it then, and my parents, not wanting me to become too fixated on it nor get into it with my friend, waved it off as rude behavior, but not limited to any one group. Of course, I wasn't unaware, but I got their intent, so I didn't. I was already aware of some lingering bigotry toward POC, so the comments certainly did not come across as benign. Even in the tiny Midwestern town of my grandparents, where there was a single Catholic church, I always got the impression they looked at their members as "the other," though I never heard hurtful comments toward them.

As I get older, I realize the far more tolerant among the Protestant churches (United Methodist, at least the original before splintering into two groups), and the Unitarian Universalist were likewise viewed poorly by the more extreme doctrinal churches. Even today's quite extreme Southern Baptists, which are at the heart of that inflexibility today, were once more moderate when Jimmy Carter was most active among them.

At any rate, it appears to me that the Protestant majority among the religious in this country is about to light a match if this continues--something I thought for sure the opportunistic abortion issue would have done earlier.

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