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lees1975

(6,896 posts)
Thu Dec 18, 2025, 10:07 PM Dec 18

Kirk Cameron, celebrity idol of conservative Evangelicals, dares to think for himself, and gets the boot.

Last edited Fri Dec 19, 2025, 01:53 AM - Edit history (1)

https://signalpress.blogspot.com/2025/12/falling-from-grace-once-idolized-as.html
https://baptistnews.com/article/heads-spin-as-kirk-cameron-gives-up-eternal-conscience-torment/

While caustically critical of ecclesiastical connections and doctrine determined by church clergy councils, claiming to offer their members the abilty to interpret and apply the principles of the Bible according to their own spiritual discernment, there is a hard line of established dogma, based on a singular, literalist interpretation of the Bible that leaves zero room for dissent or personal application. Much of it is contradictory to any reasonable, historical and contextual interpretation of the Bible, especially the revelation of the gospel directly given by Jesus, whom they claim was the Son of God.

If that's the case, then wouldn't the revelation he preached be exactly the words that God initiated, and therefore the interpretive filter for everything everyone else ever wrote that made it into the canon? And yet, the gospel is not considered in most Evangelical doctrine or practice. They define "gospel" as any single verse picked out of a verse by verse rendering of the text, and what it says when it stands alone. So they wind up denying the core principles that are essential to Christian faith and practice.

So even when a celebrity who has become an idol among the faithful deviates from the accepted dogma, they become the enemy, the apostate, the fallen. And so, in the flash of an eye, another celebrity idolized by the conservative Evangelical community because of his fame and because he was one of them is no longer one of them. He dared to think for himself, stop parrotting the party line and draw his own conclusion about a Biblical interpretation. And those who have prided themselves on believing in the Bible's inerrancy, and in this principle of soul freedom, something they condemn mainline Protestants for not believing, have taken this privilege and freedom away from one of their own.

And they aren't able to see how that makes them hypocrites.
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Kirk Cameron, celebrity idol of conservative Evangelicals, dares to think for himself, and gets the boot. (Original Post) lees1975 Dec 18 OP
If you want a good time, go on youtube and look up Kirk Cameron, Ray Comfort, and banana. RockRaven Dec 18 #1
Quote from the Signal Press piece, last paragraph: lees1975 Dec 19 #2
This is unexpected MustLoveBeagles Dec 19 #3
For anyone wondering what Cameron actually said that got him in trouble, check out this link. ShazzieB Dec 19 #4

RockRaven

(18,633 posts)
1. If you want a good time, go on youtube and look up Kirk Cameron, Ray Comfort, and banana.
Thu Dec 18, 2025, 10:52 PM
Dec 18

It really is remarkable.

lees1975

(6,896 posts)
2. Quote from the Signal Press piece, last paragraph:
Fri Dec 19, 2025, 11:42 AM
Dec 19
And for all of what he did, getting blasted because he has openly embraced a particular doctrinal point that isn't shared by the majority, and has once again used his fame and reputation to promote it, is just one more example of how far away from authentic Christianity Evangelicals have moved. He's not the only one. Rejecting heretics, ruining careers and chasing after dollars is a hallmark of American Evangelicalism. And it provides a lot of insight as to why they are completely and totally deceived when it comes to Trump. They are used to the distortion of facts and to avoiding reality by creating an alternate universe. That allows them to put any interpretation they want on something, and deceive themselves into thinking its true, because "there's a verse" that supports it.


Explains a lot about Evangelicals and their politics.

ShazzieB

(22,173 posts)
4. For anyone wondering what Cameron actually said that got him in trouble, check out this link.
Fri Dec 19, 2025, 03:46 PM
Dec 19
https://baptistnews.com/article/heads-spin-as-kirk-cameron-gives-up-eternal-conscience-torment/

“It’s one of the doctrines of the Bible that atheists love to point out as one of the reasons why they could never believe in the God of the Bible,” Kirk Cameron said on his podcast last week. “It’s the God who creates the eternal barbecue for sinners.”

In a rather shocking revelation, Cameron and his son James admitted to the world that they don’t find the eternal conscious torment view of hell to be convincing. Instead, they said the more biblical and logical end for nonevangelicals would seem to be what is often referred to as annihilationism or conditionalism, which is the belief that eternal life is conditional based on one’s relationship to God through Jesus, and that all who aren’t truly Christian will one day be punished through the death of an irreversible annihilation rather than being kept alive to burn forever.

This teaching is indeed a huge turnoff for many, many people. It was definitely one of the things that drove me away from my Baptist upbringing decades ago (although I did not become an atheist as a result).

I think that Evangelicals and others who have embraced the eternal torment concept must realize on some level that it's one of the most powerful tools in their toolbox. It's certainly one that they continually wield in order to get people to convert. Evangelical and fundamentalist Christian preachers are highly skilled in convincing people that the stakes of rejecting their version of Christianity are incredibly, terrifyingly high: make the wrong decision and you will suffer indescribable punishment forever! It's not hard to understand why the idea of relinquising this belief is anathema to them, especially as (imo) most of them truly believe in it themselves. In a way, it's the keystone of their faith.

I commend Kirk Cameron for rejecting this perverse teaching in such a public manner. I don't think it necessarily means that he is suddenly no longer a conservative Evangelical in every other way, but it's still an interesting development.
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