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Ocelot II

(130,099 posts)
Mon Dec 1, 2025, 10:00 PM Dec 2025

The MAGA Nightmare is Almost Over, America.

This will all be over soon, America.
The sundowning of the MAGA movement is upon us.
The signs are everywhere.
As much as History can be an albatross in moments like these, alerting us to the terrifying ways in which we are repeating the past pathologies of inhumanity, she can also be a source of comfort; a reminder of the inevitability of the endings of all evil things.

If we consult her with a clear head, she’ll remind us that all brutal empires fall,
that all hateful movements dissolve, that every seemingly bulletproof regime reaches its extinction, and that all malevolent momentary victors eventually find themselves defeated and driven out.

Every time the pendulum has swung wildly toward barbarism in a society, it has invariably come back with even greater opposite force to bend the arc of the moral universe back toward justice again.

And History tells us that, despite the story in our heads or the one that comes through the partisan propaganda that we’re continually saturated by, our brutal national nightmare is likely in its final hours.

The rest at https://johnpavlovitz.substack.com/p/the-maga-nightmare-is-almost-over
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The MAGA Nightmare is Almost Over, America. (Original Post) Ocelot II Dec 2025 OP
Do hope so. And appreciate your encouraging addition to the discourse here! - -(nt)- stopdiggin Dec 2025 #1
I certainly hope so MustLoveBeagles Dec 2025 #2
+1. If midterm polls continue to look good early next year after primaries, could be sooner than we think. Silent Type Dec 2025 #3
Final hours? Fiendish Thingy Dec 2025 #4
And it is all happening much faster then I expected 4now Dec 2025 #5
"... in its final hours." luv2fly Dec 2025 #6
Nothing lasts forever. It's an insane dream to think so, but these fascist replays last too long. usonian Dec 2025 #7
I agree more or less. MAGA is a dying disorganized mess. It's days are numbered. flashman13 Dec 2025 #8
Yeah.. jfz9580m Dec 2025 #9
Tech Salvation? 2na fisherman Dec 2025 #11
90+ % R approval hibbing Dec 2025 #10
Yeah orangecrush Dec 2025 #12
I wasn't that hopeful after Joe and Mika's airport story Ilsa Dec 2025 #13
Here's my wet blanket for the evening. It was 'sposed to be over after Nixon. Then came St. Ronnie. 3Hotdogs Dec 2025 #14
Yeah, I've been hearing this all too often. It would be nice if it happens, but it just keeps getting worse... C Moon Dec 2025 #16
I love Johm Pavlovitz, and soldierant Dec 2025 #15
It won't be over until Shambala Dec 2025 #17
If he really IS losing his supporters and his power (debatable), then he is going to be at his most dangerous. LudwigPastorius Dec 2025 #18
We're still less than a year into the four year term of Trump/Vance Martin Eden Dec 2025 #19
As long as Fox news is the #1 place people get their "information," this bullshit will continue. progressoid Dec 2025 #20
Maybe, but I won't be alive to see that arch of the moral universe bend back. sinkingfeeling Dec 2025 #21
"Over soon"? Aristus Dec 2025 #22
THANK YOU Skittles Dec 2025 #23
Pretty optimistic.... returnee Dec 2025 #24
 

Silent Type

(12,412 posts)
3. +1. If midterm polls continue to look good early next year after primaries, could be sooner than we think.
Mon Dec 1, 2025, 10:26 PM
Dec 2025

Fiendish Thingy

(22,762 posts)
4. Final hours?
Mon Dec 1, 2025, 10:30 PM
Dec 2025

Well, maybe final months- we’ll see how desperate republicans get as the midterms draw closer.

luv2fly

(2,622 posts)
6. "... in its final hours."
Mon Dec 1, 2025, 10:37 PM
Dec 2025

We sure can hope so, however it can't be soon enough and won't really be over until they are all incarcerated for a very, very long time.

And with shitty health care please.

usonian

(24,590 posts)
7. Nothing lasts forever. It's an insane dream to think so, but these fascist replays last too long.
Mon Dec 1, 2025, 10:51 PM
Dec 2025

It's our job to minimize the damage and help bring about a swifter end.

The fascist playbook is powerfully uses resentment, racism, xenophobia, fake religion and shoddy sham nationalism (among others) to rile up the people and lose their decency, money, and even lives for the "Leader" and industrialist cadre.

Note to Trump: the German industrialists got off scot-free. Hitler didn't.

Here's the good and the bad.

I have always argued on principle, while noting that Democratic economies outperform Repubilcan ones. Nobody listens.

It's all in the propaganda. The cult was mesmerized into believing that Biden's revolutionary "bottom up" economy was in fact a depression, But the Trump Trash economy is well, a wreck.



And the lies are contradicting themselves in a way that's hard to ignore. Lies and denial are part of cult "culture" and some do break free when the contradictions are very clear

And well, .... the shit hits the fan. It's no longer fun and games when groceries are out of sight.






I don't know why they call this stuff Hamburger Helper lt does just fine by itself

flashman13

(2,273 posts)
8. I agree more or less. MAGA is a dying disorganized mess. It's days are numbered.
Mon Dec 1, 2025, 10:53 PM
Dec 2025

HOWEVER: Trump is a cornered dying animal. He is going to become more dangerous every day until he finally dies. I can only imagine the various disasters he will cause before that happens.

And no matter what happens to Trump, the economy is teetering on the edge of a major crash. I'm talking about a crash of 1929 dimensions. Of course Trump will make it worse. That is going to become a huge issue for all of us.

Bottom line: We are in for a very rough time for the next several years. I feel like the only positive is that in '26 and '28 we can and will elect people that will be able to start the process of digging us out from under this mess.

jfz9580m

(16,815 posts)
9. Yeah..
Mon Dec 1, 2025, 10:55 PM
Dec 2025

But it will still be a long slog ahead repairing the damage done..it was fueled by this technofascist cult that tried to bamboozle the public with an appearance of technocratic muscle bolstering the fascism.

I don’t think this accelerationist bunk had any there there. It’s complete bullshit. I am reading a book by this scientist Adam Becker called “What is Real?”. But it’s his latest book that I think will interest me even more:
https://www.truthdig.com/articles/the-mad-religion-of-technological-salvation/

I wouldn’t say I have been depressed, but I have been confused by how the most familiar and least alienating of all things -science and medicine- have had a new-agey, spooky and grotesque flair in the last 15 years but more overtly lately.

Good riddance to bad rubbish.

But yeah I think it is finally over or on its way out. Good..I can go and focus on wrapping up a paper I have been working on for longer than I care to remember and refocus on science but without creepy, new agey or other driveling shit.
Yeesh..
Man I hate everything..
The last 15 years are the worst drivel I have ever seen. These technofascists..there really is no there there..

2na fisherman

(299 posts)
11. Tech Salvation?
Mon Dec 1, 2025, 11:20 PM
Dec 2025

The idea has merit but it now depends on the mindset of those techies with the most influence and money. And those people are likely not motivated by altruism as they still have primitive hunter/gatherer ape minds wired for US vs Them. So the first step toward any kind of tech renaissance must be to literally change everyone's minds so they would override their primitive selfish instincts and get on with the business of what John Lennon sang about in "Imagine."

hibbing

(10,566 posts)
10. 90+ % R approval
Mon Dec 1, 2025, 10:57 PM
Dec 2025

I have a feeling they will find someone equally vile (if possible). They certainly have a lot of despicable people to choose from.

Ilsa

(64,184 posts)
13. I wasn't that hopeful after Joe and Mika's airport story
Tue Dec 2, 2025, 12:02 AM
Dec 2025

they told this morning. When an elderly couple was asked if they liked and approved of ICE's crimes, they replied, "But we're at WAR!" Plenty of magats still drink the koolaid.

3Hotdogs

(15,262 posts)
14. Here's my wet blanket for the evening. It was 'sposed to be over after Nixon. Then came St. Ronnie.
Tue Dec 2, 2025, 12:07 AM
Dec 2025

It was 'sposed to be over after McChimp and the Tea Party. Now look what happened. Fitzmas and Muller Time went straight up our asses.

C Moon

(13,583 posts)
16. Yeah, I've been hearing this all too often. It would be nice if it happens, but it just keeps getting worse...
Tue Dec 2, 2025, 12:29 AM
Dec 2025

and the voters keep putting them back in power after 4 years of Democratic Party rule. Gullible voters. I never realized how much racism there is in our country. It's still a big problem.

soldierant

(9,308 posts)
15. I love Johm Pavlovitz, and
Tue Dec 2, 2025, 12:12 AM
Dec 2025

I do consider him a prophet in the original sense of someone who fearlessly speaks truth to power. (Foretelling the future was just frosting on the cake.)

Because it's a cult, and cults, if thet crash,, crash pretty quickly and pretty much all st once,
I have no quarrel with the concept that when it goes, it will go rapidly. But as far as when, I have no idea. Interestingly, Michael Fanone recently said basicall the same things as John, and they may nboth be correct. I too hope so., Being human, I dislike uncertainty.

Shambala

(276 posts)
17. It won't be over until
Tue Dec 2, 2025, 12:48 AM
Dec 2025

long after ICE and CBP have their budgets severely reduced, all the recently hired are terminated, and those employees that violated the law face justice.

LudwigPastorius

(14,509 posts)
18. If he really IS losing his supporters and his power (debatable), then he is going to be at his most dangerous.
Tue Dec 2, 2025, 12:53 AM
Dec 2025

I refer you to the events of January 6 where Trump, facing his loss of power after the election, rallied his thugs in an attempted insurrection. They, and he, were just a Mike Pence away from an actual subversion of the voter's will.

Sometimes the light at the end of the tunnel is an oncoming train.

Martin Eden

(15,520 posts)
19. We're still less than a year into the four year term of Trump/Vance
Tue Dec 2, 2025, 07:40 AM
Dec 2025

With the enhanced executive power and immunity bestowed by the Roberts court.

It's going to be a long painful ride, even if Dems retake the House and possibly the Senate.

progressoid

(53,005 posts)
20. As long as Fox news is the #1 place people get their "information," this bullshit will continue.
Tue Dec 2, 2025, 07:48 AM
Dec 2025

let's not forget X, Facebook, OAN, AM radio, etc. The media is saturated with right wing bias.

Aristus

(72,012 posts)
22. "Over soon"?
Tue Dec 2, 2025, 10:16 AM
Dec 2025

In what? Geologic time?

That fucking bastard just won't die!

It's been ten fucking years since he came down that escalator. Nearly one/sixth of my life! I can't take this shit anymore!

Skittles

(170,817 posts)
23. THANK YOU
Tue Dec 2, 2025, 11:57 AM
Dec 2025

and the effects from that monstrosity will be felt far beyond our lifetimes

returnee

(900 posts)
24. Pretty optimistic....
Tue Dec 2, 2025, 04:31 PM
Dec 2025

….but we can use some of that.

I think that it will be hard to decide when (if) it actually is over. In my view it will not be over until all accounts are settled and all the historical records are set straight. Any point where this can begin is a win, but will still be a long time until it’s over. Educating the people is as important as any other part of the process.

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