They were pathetic then and haven’t changed their ways. I won’t watch them, Mitchell or Tur.

I hope it doesn’t spread to msnbc’s other shows. I don’t think it will but you can never tell especially if they get rid of some of the people.

I can't take much of any of the news these days, it's so unrelentingly awful! When I do watch, it's a few minutes of Lawrence, Nicole or Rachel.

This is not really anything new. It is interesting that the story is told publicly, undoubtedly there have been hundreds of similar cases in recent years.

I have been saying for years the MSNBC is not our friend. I'm glad to see that people are starting to recognize that more openly.

I think it was responsible for them to apologize.

It was about the culture of the top propaganda station for the current fascists in power. Fox is technically a quasi governmental arm since so many of their idiotic propaganda readers have been appointed to destroy our democracy.

I doubt MSNBC gives and *uck about all the alcoholics struggling with their addictions.

A real journalist would have asked about that out of control culture perpetrated by a quasi government corporation, monopoly and propaganda outlet. Not to mention the lead organization to supply government appointees.

Style only. They all have the same agenda.

I wouldn't be too quick to single out Fox. They are just more direct than the others. Arguably, we are damaged more by supposedly "friendly fire" from outfits like MSNBC and NYT

To be accurate on facts. The day that faux news makes a serious effort not to lie and or obstruct facts about elections you let me know please.

Of course, when they report something as fact, it should be accurate. But it is 100% within the commission of these programs to provide insights, which can certainly include informed speculation as long as it is identified as such.

But the thing with Fox is that Trump is appointing their propaganda readers to cabinet positions and other executive positions.

So far I've counted 5 Fox employees in major executive branch positions. I bet there are more.

At this point you might as well say the Aussie Rupert Murdoch is running our American cabinet appointments, is the chief executive of the quasi government propaganda center and is really part of the US government. Thank God we didn't vote for him.......

... it was simply pointing out the grotesque permissiveness afforded on-air talent – and I use the word, "talent" quite loosely – at Pox News. Surely you can recall the obfuscation and whitewashing of Bill O'Reilly's despicable behavior toward women, an offense considerably more odious than Hegseth's habitual inebriation. And the O'Reilly fiasco was milked dry by comedians of both genders, and all those in between.
I, for one, would afford neither Hegseth nor Pox News any deference whatsoever. They certainly wouldn't give it to any of us if the roles were reversed.

Can anyone get more "odious"? It's almost as if his drinking is a red herring. He's accused of a serious felony. Alcoholic drinking, as hideous as it is, is the sideshow.

Maybe they were afraid of lawsuit from Fox.

Imagine the deposition.

"Did you ever notice any of your coworkers exhibiting the effects of alcohol while on the air? Did you ever smell alcohol on them?"

I've never watched them just for the record. ❤️

It's worth it to them to be Vichy under Trump's fascist regime. How do the sleep at night and get up in the morning? Is anyone going to keep watching them?

I never watched them or MSNBC. They could fall off the edge of a flat earth and my life would not change.

I still watch her show (which I record). I assume Rachel also isn't turning. Neither is Lawrence.

and I greatly appreciate her for that. The others tend to be rather mealy-mouthed on the core issues. Rachel and Lawrence have particular topics that get their attention from time to time, and they might throw out a good rant on those topics. But as a general rule, they pull 99% of their punches.

I remember vividly, for example, that in December 2020, after Trump lost the election, he implanted his cronies, including Patel, at the top of the Pentagon. Rachel reported on that, but she would never state the obvious out loud, and even today, still has not, as far as I know. The obvious thing was that these stooges were implanted there for the very purpose of guaranteeing that no part of the Pentagon, especially the National Guard, would be activated to put down the Jan 6 insurrection. It was obvious before the fact and completely undeniable after the fact, yet she could never simply say that. Instead, she did her "Golly, doesn't this seem strange? I can't figure it out." routine.

She is a smart lady who knows the score. But she couldn't manage to say it out loud. Wallace is a lot more direct, but I'm sure she is on a short leash too.

everyone over there. Rachel Maddow is not Joe Scraborough

It's the only news show I can get early in the a.m. (I'm old, up at around 5 a.m.) so can sometimes catch a repeat of
previous night before shows. Joe was pontificating to the point Mika looked embarrassed, I went to Netflix.

You can listen to them on your phone anytime.

How people can be fooled by them is even less understandable, especially seeing that Joe was clearly a Republican before everyone embraced his fake political persona.

If MSNBC's lawyers are so sensitive about defamation, they should have sued Trump..

of people's lives will be destroyed before this is over, and no one should expect the press to come to their rescue, and with Kash Patel expect a redux of Hoover on steroids.

I believe it will be a very dark period for the country, and there is a real possibility our democracy will not survive it this time.

people on our side of the spectrum think it will just be OK 4 years from now. Those of us who live through the '50's through the '70's know that repression and intimidation now is nothing compared to what it was like then.

From Timothy Snyder’s book on Tyranny.

The visit to kiss Trump’s ass, the apology to Fox, etc. are all advance obedience behaviors in anticipation of and acquiesce to the coming autocracy.

We - the outrageously stupid, apparently - have all the information we need to know that this show and this network are enabling the autocracy and we had best get our “news” elsewhere.

That doesn’t mean we go find a news bubble of agreement with our views. But it means that this information source is corrupted and can’t be trusted.

The darkness is palpable.

Reinforces my choice to turn off cable news, though I turned off Morning Joe a long time ago.

is never a good idea. Pre-emptive appeasement is ugly and gets you nowhere. Just check the history books. The 1930s was full of appeasers. Look at what it accomplished. 50 million dead will be a drop in the bucket when the next WW is engaged.

former colleagues but he warned us about Joe Scarborough and it seems he was right

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We need to support it.

Having to support the conservative right

Times are changing and a new, more hard line conservative flavor is called for. All hail Trump!

I learn more by reading on-line than listening to talking heads repeat the same point for a day or six. However, Rachel Maddow, Chris Hayes, Joy Reid, Nicolle Wallace and Lawrence O'Donnell provide a good service, imo because they are at least disagreeing with D.C. and saying the words "Republicans are wrong, or lying" and provide videos for us to use on line.

Very few media sources say those words, so having them do it is invaluable imo.

With that said, the morning and afternoon line up of MSNBC are a joke. They're freaking Republicans, and the carnival barker took them out in one election cycle, yet they're lecturing Dems on how to play hardball?

Speaking of "hardball" I remember very well this moment from Chris Matthews:

"Is Hillary Clinton showing too much cleavage? Let's play Hardball."

Then I remember Stephanie Ruhle being asked about how seniors can get screwed if their 401k's collapse as they are about to retire. She answered like a good Wall St toadie by ignoring the question and saying "Wall Street historically provides at least a 10% profit". That's what she said!

Andrea Mitchell is insufferable. Stephanie is not a friend of the working class and good old Michael Steele is 'oh so tough and rugged' he got fired by the RNC and as I said earlier, Trump wiped the floor with Bush era Republicans in one election cycle. Yet Michael Steele is in the know? Nope.

Same with Rick Wilson. I like Rick and he tried but The Lincoln Project was going to "show us Dems how messaging is done" and we have the deadbeat felon again.

Sure MSNBC. Sure Bush/Reagan Republicans - uh huh. Or better said "Okay Boomer".

Have to change the channel. Her guests look like hostages. They don’t want to be there.

otherwise well written article. Will rec it anyway...

Even though MSNBC is the closest to being a progressive leaning news outlet. There are no others. CNN is more down the middle.

Certainly we have to keep MSNBC around but they need to hemorrhage alot of cash for helping to normalize trump as they still are.

There is no industry push back to the massive disinformation propagated by right wing Russian tied sites like Fox News and newsmax etc

it was clearly about making a reference to FOX news and the people there.

All smoke no fire.

If MSNBC continue saying that about fox, it's a lawsuit waiting to happen.

It’s completely different.

but.......have you HEARD what they say on Fox about us liberals?

MSNBC is part of MSM although there are great journalists like Rachel Maddow.

Many of MSM and MSNBC tried to excuse Trump's incompetence by saying "...but it was COVID'.

Trump tried to repeal ACA some 3 years before COVID.

Millions would have lost their insurance.

Trump's incompetence is not a bug but a feature.

Vaccines was a major reason why we got out of COVID.

Trump does not learn anything from the past.

And Trump has nominated many anti-vaxxers to healthcare positions in his new administration.

I am sorry, but Ivermectin pills will not work against the next pandemic.

and they continue to go to Twitter.

Stop paying attention to this crap if for no other reason than your daily sanity and happiness.

I don't understand why so many here continue to go to Twitter and corporate news and support the clampdown? Do you have no self control? Wake the fuck up.

seeing posts from people watching the crap and whining about it, THERE IS A SOLUTION!

I'm not excusing her either, but Joe's the big coward. He never came across to me as anything but a suck-up.

Keith Olbermann has documented numerous orders by MSNBC executives to keep criticisms of Fox muted. For DECADES. This is nothing new.

I usually turn to MSNBC around 9PM-11PM for viewing. Any other recommendations?

Obeying in advance. They are bowing down to the new fascist leader.

replace him with a Pam Bondi, Rick De Satan, or Dick Cheney. Not alcoholic womanizer, but cold, calculating and know exactly what they're supposed to do. Yeah, that's better.

... why did Mika feel the need to apologize for Frum? He was a live guest. I guess she could have read a statement from MSNBC, but it seemed like a personal apology. Also, Joe & Mika have been saying negative things about FOX "News" for years. Most of the time they allude to a "rival network" that is "right-wing," but we know exactly who they are talking about... they allude to certain hosts, also. So THEY DO THE SAME THING! Actually, they are/were correct... I guess this is all good for attention = ratings. Maybe that's the point.

When I say "all we've got", I mean it's the only ostensibly liberal national network on the air. The big-3 networks, plus PBS and CNN are basically "normal" (i.e., not liberally biased), but they're not FoxNews in tone, either.

MSNBC, despite their recent "moderating influences" is still mostly liberal leaning (with a few exceptions - ahem...Morning Joe). If MSNBC goes out of business for whatever reason, we fall back on liberal TikTok'ers, liberal YouTubers, liberal podcasters and the like to get our preferred perspectives. These social media resources are fragmented and you have to specifically subscribe to, and look for, them. Only liberals will access them. We'll be in a bubble.

MSNBC, on the other hand, is on all cable and satellite networks and could (and likely would) be accessible to anyone channel surfing.

The MSM isn't getting out the information the public needs. MSNBC largely does. If it goes away, then conservative perspectives without a counterbalance will dominate.

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We need honest newscasters who believe in our democracy more than ever now. Yes, we've been disappointed in MSNBC and CNN, but there are still good and decent people out there that are worth watching. The autocracy movement would love for us to give up and stop watching, and thereby ending these shows. I believe we have to keep supporting the ones who are honestly reporting the news, like Nicolle Wallace, who is doing a magnificent job of calling out the horrible things that the incoming administration is going to do and the horrible people they want to put in charge. Lawrence O'Donnell and Joy Reid are also well worth watching. Others, like the weekend crew and evening news shows seem to be stepping up more. Don't watch the apologists like Katie Tur, Andrea Mitchell, Jen Psakai, and anyone else who is more focused on Biden pardoning his son than the clown car of wretched, compromised haters of democracy that they want to put in charge of our most important governmental roles.

I was ready to completely stop watching the news, but lately, I've been checking in on Nicole, Lawrence, and Joy, and they are performing a valuable service by investigating these miscreants, and having FBI experts, autocracy/fascism experts, Russia experts, etc., on their shows. So, please stop with the "Good, let them go out of business" rhetoric. We still need them.

Faux news fans.

It should be likewise for Pete Hegseth.