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BumRushDaShow

(172,716 posts)
Tue May 19, 2026, 07:35 PM May 19

Democrats Are Ditching Biden's Playbook - And Picking Up Trump's

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Source: Huff Post

May 19, 2026, 05:36 PM EDT | Updated an hour ago


The Democratic Party’s most prominent think tank held its annual conference on Tuesday, and the overall message was as unmistakable as it was unspoken: The party is rejecting the restorative mission President Joe Biden’s administration dedicated itself to after President Donald Trump’s first term in office.

Democrats, instead, seem determined to respond to Trump’s second term by attempting to echo his tactics and attempts to radically reengineer the government rather than trying to pretend Trump is an unfortunate blip.

The message was delivered, perhaps incongruously, by a corps of Biden loyalists. The head of CAP, Neera Tanden, was a high-level White House appointee. Biden’s secretary of state, ambassador to the United Nations, the chair of his council of economic advisers and another White House senior adviser all spoke. The highest-profile speaker at the event, California Gov. Gavin Newsom, went out of his way to say he “reveres” Biden.

But he did not revere Biden’s tactics. “We have to be as ruthless as our opposition,” Newsom, a likely 2028 presidential candidate, told the crowd of policymakers at the Mayflower Hotel in Washington. “I’m sick of just winning arguments, with all due respect to the niceties. It feels good, but we’re going to lose our republic.”

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Democrats Are Ditching Biden's Playbook - And Picking Up Trump's (Original Post) BumRushDaShow May 19 OP
Bringing a gun to a gun fight instead of cookies would be a welcome change. NoMoreRepugs May 19 #1
I am sick an tired of the weak kneed responses to corruption UpInArms May 19 #2
Demonstrating moral strength and conviction is NOT "adopting" the felon's " playbook. pat_k May 19 #30
repukes lied their way into a war and we were told we needed to "look forward" Skittles May 19 #31
Yes! BlueSpot May 19 #33
It set a terrible precedent fujiyamasan May 20 #36
all in favor of ditching 'we go high' raise your hand nt msongs May 19 #3
Nope! TurboDem May 19 #9
Deleted duplicate pat_k May 19 #26
No. What we ditch is "Can't win so won't fight." pat_k May 19 #27
its about time samsingh May 19 #4
It should have started as soon as Reagan got elected. ananda May 19 #23
Speaker Tip O'Neil was buddy-buddy with Reagan RazorbackExpat May 20 #43
Democrats are unfairly held to a different standard. chowder66 May 19 #5
This is true mcar May 19 #7
The tsk tsk will happen, no matter what we do or don't do. slightlv May 19 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author fujiyamasan May 20 #37
If those morons already think it's both sides BaronChocula May 19 #8
There are those that lean and we could lose and those that don't lean but unfortunately could lose. chowder66 May 19 #11
100%-- the media will not let Dems get away with this sort of thing unlike what they do with Rethugs LymphocyteLover May 19 #28
Now is the time to do it. republianmushroom May 19 #6
We really did try! BidenRocks May 19 #10
This is why Aviation Pro May 19 #12
THIS!!! calimary May 19 #13
Pipe hitters with... RetiredParatrooper May 19 #17
Getting medieval Aviation Pro May 19 #24
Joe Biden was the right person at the time. At the time, he was able to restore LoisB May 19 #14
I defend him all the time to my family and I also ask them ALBliberal May 19 #20
I feel the same way. LoisB May 20 #34
Ruthlessly "re-engineering" government to ensure... pat_k May 19 #21
Yes. LoisB May 20 #35
Oh please Trump's playbook is to cheat. Botany May 19 #15
Yep. Especially the owning the media part. progressoid May 19 #19
"They" own the media and the narrative. Botany May 19 #22
Not the cheating part. The ruthless part. paleotn May 19 #32
Stupid interpretation. pat_k May 19 #18
Restoration is a bad strategy regardless of style Renew Deal May 19 #25
"We have to be as ruthless as our opposition," paleotn May 19 #29
Saying that they're trying to be like Trump is misleading oldmanlynn May 20 #38
The traditional media's reach has been in decline fujiyamasan May 20 #39
Good! Been saying for a long time, that there time's we have to hit hard verbally! electric_blue68 May 20 #40
We should BE the Radical Left and not apologize for it. thought crime May 20 #41
Amen! Deminpenn May 20 #42
AFTER a review by forum hosts LOCKING Omaha Steve May 20 #44

NoMoreRepugs

(12,253 posts)
1. Bringing a gun to a gun fight instead of cookies would be a welcome change.
Tue May 19, 2026, 07:43 PM
May 19

UpInArms

(55,461 posts)
2. I am sick an tired of the weak kneed responses to corruption
Tue May 19, 2026, 07:51 PM
May 19
On May 10, 2006, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) indicated she was not interested in pursuing impeachment and had taken it "off the table", reiterating this phrase on November 8, 2006, after the election.[11][12] In July 2007, Pelosi stated that she "would probably advocate" impeaching Bush if she were not in the House nor Speaker of the House.[13]

On December 8, 2006 (the last day of the 109th Congress), then-Representative Cynthia McKinney (D-GA) submitted a resolution, H. Res. 1106. The bill expired along with the 109th Congress.[14]

John Conyers brought up the subject of impeachment on the July 8, 2007, broadcast of This Week with George Stephanopoulos,[15] stating:

We're hoping that as the cries for the removal of both Cheney and Bush now reach 46 percent and 58 percent, respectively, for impeachment, that we could begin to become a little bit more cooperative, if not even amicable, in trying to get to the truth of these matters.


Fuck this shit … prosecute and imprison these corrupt traitors for what they are

pat_k

(14,004 posts)
30. Demonstrating moral strength and conviction is NOT "adopting" the felon's " playbook.
Tue May 19, 2026, 10:32 PM
May 19

Skittles

(173,178 posts)
31. repukes lied their way into a war and we were told we needed to "look forward"
Tue May 19, 2026, 10:33 PM
May 19

repukes have long known about the "weak-kneed" responses

BlueSpot

(1,336 posts)
33. Yes!
Tue May 19, 2026, 11:15 PM
May 19

And also enact legislation to close all these loopholes that orange asshole has shown us.

fujiyamasan

(2,091 posts)
36. It set a terrible precedent
Wed May 20, 2026, 12:11 AM
May 20

About as bad as Ford pardoning Nixon.

This country simply does not keep its leaders accountable for their crimes.

msongs

(74,309 posts)
3. all in favor of ditching 'we go high' raise your hand nt
Tue May 19, 2026, 07:53 PM
May 19

TurboDem

(375 posts)
9. Nope!
Tue May 19, 2026, 08:30 PM
May 19

When they go low, we should go lower! I'm tired of this "my friend across the aisle" bullshit! Call them out for what they are!

pat_k

(14,004 posts)
26. Deleted duplicate
Tue May 19, 2026, 10:22 PM
May 19

pat_k

(14,004 posts)
27. No. What we ditch is "Can't win so won't fight."
Tue May 19, 2026, 10:24 PM
May 19

What we ditch is "STFU on Universal Health Care" because "we can't win."

What we ditch is STFU on every meaningful reform that we could have built the political will for decades ago if our party had been making the case.

What we ditch is the asinine advice of the inside-the-beltway consultants who run focus groups to find the most mealy-mouthed, uninspiring policies possible because they are "acceptable" to more people.

What we ditch is candidates who advocate for what the think is "practical" instead of getting their asses out there with a bullhorn to make the case for the transformational change we MUST have to put this nation back on the path to a more perfect union

Political will doesn't build itself.

And even when the political will to impeach bush and cheney was there in the electorate, they backed off for fear of "backlash" from fucking Fox News.

No more!!

And that is NOT "adopting" some corrupt trumpublican "playbook."

samsingh

(18,478 posts)
4. its about time
Tue May 19, 2026, 07:55 PM
May 19

ananda

(35,606 posts)
23. It should have started as soon as Reagan got elected.
Tue May 19, 2026, 10:11 PM
May 19

Last edited Tue May 19, 2026, 10:57 PM - Edit history (1)

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RazorbackExpat

(974 posts)
43. Speaker Tip O'Neil was buddy-buddy with Reagan
Wed May 20, 2026, 06:36 AM
May 20

I could never understand why

chowder66

(12,565 posts)
5. Democrats are unfairly held to a different standard.
Tue May 19, 2026, 08:00 PM
May 19

Hopefully it will work.
I wonder, though, if it will fuel the people who hate both parties with the kind of crap they already and wrongfully think the Democrats do because Republican messaging has been so relentless.

And before anyone thinks I'm saying we should stick with the status quo, I'm not. I guess I'm hoping we fight fire with a firehose and not another fire.

mcar

(46,429 posts)
7. This is true
Tue May 19, 2026, 08:12 PM
May 19

I await the so-called liberal media's tsk tsking of Democrats for not being nice.

slightlv

(8,057 posts)
16. The tsk tsk will happen, no matter what we do or don't do.
Tue May 19, 2026, 09:35 PM
May 19

When your entire media is owned by republicans, there isn't a thing the Democrats can do that will be cheered. The R's rigged that game long before Nixon even came along. They've been defining and re-defining words to a point where the true definitions have been lost in antiquity. And while I wish we could all just get along and let people "be" who they are, there is just too much corruption and evil done in one party's name to ever play nice again, IMO.

Had a phone call with my SIL this afternoon. the first half hour was both of us wailing on trump and his latest round of corrupt behaviors. She just couldn't believe there is no one trying to stop him. When everything is "in your face" it DOES seem like the punishment should be swift and to the point. Instead, it seems like our party is standing still, issuing slide rulers at the best. I like hearing about the Democrats speaking truth to power... more screaming, please! And once we finally get the government back on track (if we ever can), I never want to see a party by the rich, to the rich, for the rich ever rise again. This "admonishment" of changing the entire structure of government must be put to rest loudly and vehemently. We didn't do this, but we're sure as hell not going to let it stand. Strip government down to the bare bones, and let the bones that connect be the ones which link the common people in solidarity. Civics, government, and civility must be taught in one form or another from kindergarten onwards. Even as adult, the ads we see shouldn't be the ads for this flavor drink or that flavor protein bar. We need more and more civic minded information ads. Wanna play a game but have to suffer through an ad first? Let it be one that stresses the need to aid your neighbor, or how to support your country. I want to say to add in morality to an info overload in the future, but everyone knows you can't teach morality... that should come in your growing up years through your parents, home, church, and school. Truth is, one must be shown how to be moral thru experiences of themselves and others around them. We are so woefully failing at this.

On the way to the store a few minutes ago, I saw an animal run across the road and into the park across the street. Shook me for a minute because I couldn't identify it. Didn't run like a cat or a dog. It's head was so triangular you could see it from a distance... and those ears! It finally hit me I was looking at a young fox. Hubby was so taken aback, he had the car door open before I could even stop the car. It seemed so incongruously out of place. We stopped the car at the side of the road and just stayed there, watching it move across the park, admiring it and delighted at the experience. This isn't something that can be taught anywhere. The joy of nature must come from within, and have been fostered from a young experience onwards. I don't know how we can change people's minds once they hit the mid-teens and older. But in losing that fascination... that joy in the face of pure serendipity, we've lost something very important. And woe be to us, and our entire species if we can't find our way back to that touchstone of wonderment.

Response to mcar (Reply #7)

BaronChocula

(4,817 posts)
8. If those morons already think it's both sides
Tue May 19, 2026, 08:23 PM
May 19

there's no harm in actually being more trumpy(?)... theoretically. The only worry is getting people to agree what's trumpy enough and what's too trumpy.

chowder66

(12,565 posts)
11. There are those that lean and we could lose and those that don't lean but unfortunately could lose.
Tue May 19, 2026, 08:43 PM
May 19

I hope there is a balance and that democrats that go this route carefully "read the room".


Personally, I can take it because I know what is rhetoric and what is real but some (if not many) don't.

LymphocyteLover

(10,234 posts)
28. 100%-- the media will not let Dems get away with this sort of thing unlike what they do with Rethugs
Tue May 19, 2026, 10:26 PM
May 19

OTOH, the MSM sucks and maybe it's past time to care what they say.

republianmushroom

(22,798 posts)
6. Now is the time to do it.
Tue May 19, 2026, 08:05 PM
May 19

To hell with the old guard.

BidenRocks

(3,559 posts)
10. We really did try!
Tue May 19, 2026, 08:33 PM
May 19

When they go low...
Chump killed that America! Republicans killed that America!
They lie to your face and when we turn the other cheek, SLAP!
It's Clobberin' Time!!

Aviation Pro

(15,809 posts)
12. This is why
Tue May 19, 2026, 09:10 PM
May 19

After we take back the presidency and have a bullet proof Congress we expand SCOTUS and fill the seats with pipe hitters whose sole mission is to make life miserable for the six motherfuckers.

Make them cry.

calimary

(91,017 posts)
13. THIS!!!
Tue May 19, 2026, 09:24 PM
May 19

NOW you’re talkin’!

EXPAND the Supreme Court, and do it OUR way, with worthy judges of OUR choice(s). Take it to 13. If we don’t do it, the bad guys WILL. They’re A LOT more calculating and sneak-scheming than our side is. So if we can take majorities in Congress, we can go all out, and the GOP won’t be able to do Thing One about it, unless somebody on the high bench retires or dies.

RetiredParatrooper

(235 posts)
17. Pipe hitters with...
Tue May 19, 2026, 10:00 PM
May 19

...a pair of pliers and a blowtorch.

Aviation Pro

(15,809 posts)
24. Getting medieval
Tue May 19, 2026, 10:18 PM
May 19

Just like Marcellus Wallace.

LoisB

(13,593 posts)
14. Joe Biden was the right person at the time. At the time, he was able to restore
Tue May 19, 2026, 09:33 PM
May 19

our standing in the world and my faith in the U.S. government. Our next Democratic President needs to be ruthless.

ALBliberal

(3,398 posts)
20. I defend him all the time to my family and I also ask them
Tue May 19, 2026, 10:05 PM
May 19

name one democrat running for president at that time that could have won. Kamala? Pete? Warren? Who am I missing? Biden dug us out of COVID hell righted the ship. I will be eternally grateful.
My family doesn’t have an answer.
Answer is Biden was the guy that ran and won.

LoisB

(13,593 posts)
34. I feel the same way.
Wed May 20, 2026, 12:01 AM
May 20

pat_k

(14,004 posts)
21. Ruthlessly "re-engineering" government to ensure...
Tue May 19, 2026, 10:07 PM
May 19

...the will of the people is accurately measured in our elections, the constitution is faithfully applied by SCOTUS, and our laws faithfully executed by the executive branch.

So NOT the felon's "playbook" the comparison boggles the mind.

LoisB

(13,593 posts)
35. Yes.
Wed May 20, 2026, 12:02 AM
May 20

Botany

(77,970 posts)
15. Oh please Trump's playbook is to cheat.
Tue May 19, 2026, 09:33 PM
May 19

It doesn’t have a damn thing to do with what is being said, the messaging, or that the
candidate, it has to do with cheating. And yes 30% of Americans are racist, sexist, anti
intellectual, generationally stupid shit brained , Christo Facsist turd buckets, but republicans
keep power by cheating in a lot of America, and owning the media is part of their game.

progressoid

(53,407 posts)
19. Yep. Especially the owning the media part.
Tue May 19, 2026, 10:04 PM
May 19

The right wing knows that enough American voters are easily pliable with dog whistles to swing an election. And the easiest way to manipulate them is to own and operate the media.

Democrats don't seem to have a media attack plan. As long as the right wing controls most of the media, they control the narrative. Our only saving grace is how Trump managed to fuck up the economy. Oh, and the feckless nature of most of the GOP.

Botany

(77,970 posts)
22. "They" own the media and the narrative.
Tue May 19, 2026, 10:10 PM
May 19

As the Grateful Dead sang it “it could not be denied.”

paleotn

(22,850 posts)
32. Not the cheating part. The ruthless part.
Tue May 19, 2026, 10:53 PM
May 19

One can be ruthless and factual all at the same time. With Republicans, that's easy if we'd only do it. There is so much in Trump's past that could have been used against him effectively, from financial shenanigans to Epstein, but a series of Dem politicians decided to rarely go there. They wanted to "go high" and not dwell in the gutter. Sorry, folks, but that's exactly where successful American politics has lived since Adams / Jefferson. If you think US politics is some kind of quaint debating society, you're wrong.

We can do both. We've done it in the past. Figuratively choke Pukes to death with their own garbage. Thing is you don't have to dig very deep to find it. At the same time give voters something to hope for. A path out of the economic disaster of the last 40 years. Repeat the negative until it's etched indelibly in people's minds. Republicans have been doing exactly that for a couple generations because it works. That's why the word liberal is such a pejorative now that liberals call themselves progressives.

Epstein isn't something new. People have known about his evil for years. And Trump was hip deep in it and everyone knew it. Yet how many ads or stump speeches did we see in the last 3 cycles that wrapped the term pedophile around the orange turd's neck like a noose? None. The Access Hollywood tape was about as dirty and ruthless as we got. That ain't good enough. We either get with the program as it is or we lose. I'm tired of losing.

pat_k

(14,004 posts)
18. Stupid interpretation.
Tue May 19, 2026, 10:03 PM
May 19

Figuring out how to "re-engineer" government to ensure the will of the people is accurately measured in elections, the constitution is faithfully applied by SCOTUS, and our laws faithfully executed is NOT adopting Trump's playbook.

WTF is wrong with these people?

Renew Deal

(85,417 posts)
25. Restoration is a bad strategy regardless of style
Tue May 19, 2026, 10:21 PM
May 19

People don't want to go back to an old system that didn't work for them, whether it was in the 1900's or early 2000's. They want something new that includes healthcare, housing, and a reasonable costs. People see what's happening in China, Japan, and Europe and wonder why they can't have the same standard of living or better.

paleotn

(22,850 posts)
29. "We have to be as ruthless as our opposition,"
Tue May 19, 2026, 10:27 PM
May 19

No truer words have been said about Democratic politics since FDR said he welcomed their hatred (monied interests.) We need to stop being professor prissy pants singing kumbaya. Who they hell ever thought that would work in a country like ours? To borrow from Sherman, politics is a nasty business and you cannot refine it. Governing is where statesmanship and fairness lives. But you don't get to do the governing part until you do politics proficiently. We've not been proficient for some time now. More tone deaf and disconnected. That's got to stop.

oldmanlynn

(858 posts)
38. Saying that they're trying to be like Trump is misleading
Wed May 20, 2026, 12:30 AM
May 20

I believe that what governor Newsom really means is just that Democrats are gonna have to do extraordinary measures to fix the government after the mess that Trump will leave behind

fujiyamasan

(2,091 posts)
39. The traditional media's reach has been in decline
Wed May 20, 2026, 12:37 AM
May 20

Its influence is waning.

I’m not sure why people don’t realize this. We’re in an era of targeted micro media markets, whether by language, race, gender, or whatever other demographic or subculture.

This is another reason why democrats are failing to get their message out there. It’s not about spitting out some bland generic ads on commercial broadcast. It’s about getting it out there on alternative media. And I’m not necessarily talking joe Rogan either.

Republicans have done this effectively with Spanish media, which is almost as bad a right wing cesspool as AM radio now. This shouldn’t have happened.

It’s clear the Biden admin never really quite understood this. Even in 2020, when he won, he underperformed Hillary among Latinos in Florida. It only got worse from there. And Harris just couldn’t do all of this in time after years of neglect. It was impossible to combat all the nonsense by that point.

The biggest failure is of course “when they go low…”, I love Michelle Obama as much as any of you, but I’m sure even she didn’t realize how depraved and susceptible to propaganda so many Americans are.


electric_blue68

(27,445 posts)
40. Good! Been saying for a long time, that there time's we have to hit hard verbally!
Wed May 20, 2026, 12:57 AM
May 20

I see no reason other than the will to talk about Dems good policies; whether new, or restorative, or both; along wirh taking drumphf & co to serious task!

And definately accountability for those effers if we get back in power. Hopefully prison for some!

thought crime

(1,818 posts)
41. We should BE the Radical Left and not apologize for it.
Wed May 20, 2026, 01:12 AM
May 20

“We have to be as ruthless as our opposition” - We must also be as Radical as the opposition.

The Trump administration has imposed the most radical change to our government that we have seen since the New Deal - all in the wrong direction. It will require radical changes to fix this, and we should not avoid radicalism but should instead embrace it and proclaim ourselves to be willing to make those changes. If you are sitting on a railroad track and a locomotive is headed your way, you have to change your position; you can't just sit there.

After seeing the results of Trump's Reign of Stupid, Americans will be ready for change and the Democratic Party must offer a clear vision of radical change to create a better country for everyone. We need to look and sound like Bad Bunny at the half-time show with a positive energy of hope and a real list of improvements we can achieve. 'Si se puede'

Deminpenn

(17,605 posts)
42. Amen!
Wed May 20, 2026, 03:35 AM
May 20

Got one of those Dem issue surveys sent out to raise money. Didn't send $s, but sent the same message as you back.

Omaha Steve

(110,171 posts)
44. AFTER a review by forum hosts LOCKING
Wed May 20, 2026, 11:25 AM
May 20

This article is analysis, not LBN.

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