No Democrat better give in. It's because of some Quislings we are in this disaster.

where the sun don't shine.

Also the White House is not, nor will it ever be located in West Palm Beach, Florida. Fuck Donald Trump.

"Some of the measures Democrats are demanding, like ICE not masking, were deemed non-starters by Republicans".

ICE needs to be scrapped. Its existence is incompatible with having a functioning democracy. Till that is officially achieved, doing anything that would further its funding or imply acceptance is just shooting ourselves in the face.

both within the halls of congress - and the general population.

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or not.

Functional democracy is not compatible with government funded unaccountable paramilitary forces

with a complete absence.
(which is what I understood you to be saying, advocating?
correct me if I was wrong?)

Which is why I see the position/argument - as untenable in the eyes of a vast portion ...

Because we dont believe that what has happened elsewhere and is happening here can really happen here.

For clarification - what I continue to say - is that the abolishment of ANY type of border or customs enforcement - is, and will continue to be - a non-starter with a very large portion of the population.
(And, by almost any kind of common definition - that is precisely what democracy represents.)

are advocating for a complete lack of immigration control. Although, funny enough to me, that was, at least until fairly recently, a fairly popular stated POV amongst a number of fairly hard right libertarians that I know. However, abolishing ICE does not mean open borders or we ignore crime or any such nonsense. We had border controls and law enforcement long before ICE was even a gleam in the Rights eye.

ICE is not what we need, and can never be what we need. It is corrupt from the inside out. It is not reformable or redeemable. It should be proactively shut down, dissolved, and if we are being honest all employees blacklisted from future government service. I would accept just never providing it another dime of government funding and letting it wither as a second best alternative.

Coast Guard is being used for capturing oil tankers these days. It's not great for the other coasties doing their normal jobs along America's waterways.

But of course the real perps are ICE and CBP who have way too much funding from last year's bill. So they won't feel any pain. They inflict pain on American citizens and kill them.

Shut the government down, and agree to discussions to abolish DHS.

Don’t be timid and beg for a few concessions to the terrorist Republicans who fund ICE, bring them to their knees.