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Omaha Steve

(108,309 posts)
Fri Dec 12, 2025, 03:09 PM Dec 12

Navy investigation finds Osprey safety issues were allowed to grow for years

Source: AP

By KONSTANTIN TOROPIN
Updated 1:36 PM CST, December 12, 2025


WASHINGTON (AP) — After a spate of deadly accidents that have claimed the lives of 20 service members in the past four years, a Navy report acknowledges that the military failed to address a growing series of issues with the V-22 Osprey aircraft since it took flight almost 20 years ago.

“The cumulative risk posture of the V-22 platform has been growing since initial fielding,” according to the report by Naval Air Systems Command released Friday. It added that the office in charge of the aircraft “has not promptly implemented … fixes to mitigate existing risks.”

“As a result, risks continue to accumulate,” the report said.

The Associated Press reported last year that the most serious types of accidents for the Osprey, which is the only aircraft to fly like a plane but convert to land like a helicopter, spiked between 2019 and 2023 and that, unlike other aircraft, the problems did not level off as the years passed.



Read more: https://apnews.com/article/osprey-deadly-accidents-navy-report-9800968c85e71e2f7a0df32faa54935e

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Navy investigation finds Osprey safety issues were allowed to grow for years (Original Post) Omaha Steve Dec 12 OP
I was part of the NASA team that in the 1990s lapfog_1 Dec 12 #1
But think of all the straving defense contractors Miguelito Loveless Dec 12 #3
The planes had already been ordered... lapfog_1 Dec 12 #5
Oh, I agree with you Miguelito Loveless Dec 13 #13
V22 came in to service not long Deminpenn Dec 13 #12
I have heard nothing bbut bad things Miguelito Loveless Dec 12 #2
I remember a widow lobbying hard on this 25-30 years ago underpants Dec 12 #4
yup - unforgiving of errors lapfog_1 Dec 12 #7
Even with it's many problems... Gore1FL Dec 12 #6
There were some rumors MuseRider Dec 12 #8
I am so fortunate that I retired before this bird came into service, MarineCombatEngineer Dec 12 #9
Remember, this is now a NAVY leadership that allows illegal orders to be passed on. Wonder Why Dec 12 #10
people in the chain of command Old Crank Dec 13 #11

lapfog_1

(31,573 posts)
1. I was part of the NASA team that in the 1990s
Fri Dec 12, 2025, 03:19 PM
Dec 12

did some of the follow on simulation ( CFD ) of the V-22. We showed that the control system for vertical takeoff was so unstable that transition from takeoff to forward flight was, at best, high risk.

Add in factors such as poor visibility, night vision goggles, wind, rain, snow and you had a recipe for disaster.

The entire platform should have been scrapped and a new VTOL platform for the marines designed.

oh well... 25 years later and I don't know if they have been improved at all or at least enough that I would feel safe flying on one.

Miguelito Loveless

(5,395 posts)
3. But think of all the straving defense contractors
Fri Dec 12, 2025, 03:21 PM
Dec 12

who would have gone without if this disaster had been cancelled.

lapfog_1

(31,573 posts)
5. The planes had already been ordered...
Fri Dec 12, 2025, 03:31 PM
Dec 12

What we "recommended" was for them to be scrapped and replaced with a new design... more contracts for the defense industry!!!

DOD and Congress pushed back.

Just like the Space Shuttle, the V-22 should have been a small production run for engineering prototype. Once the issues were found ( Space Shuttle O-rings on solid rocket boosters - rot in hell Orin Hatch , unprotected heat tiles exposed to environmental issues like ice and bird strikes on launch ), after the prototype THEN you take the lessons learned and build the real deal.

Gemini was a technology demonstrator for Apollo.

You can never reduce risk to zero for any of these things, but by building the test vehicles, you can certainly reduce the risk of the final design. The V-22 was a case in point. But nobody wanted to spend the money.

Deminpenn

(17,277 posts)
12. V22 came in to service not long
Sat Dec 13, 2025, 07:39 AM
Dec 13

before I retired. My command supported repair and maintenance and we heard a lot about dificult maintenance and how many hours of maintenance it took to get one hour of flying time for the V-22. But the Navy/Marines were anxious to replace the AV-8B, it's older V/STOL with something. With all the known problems with the V-22. it should never have come into service.

Miguelito Loveless

(5,395 posts)
2. I have heard nothing bbut bad things
Fri Dec 12, 2025, 03:20 PM
Dec 12

about the Osprey since it was in trials. The power plant and control services are just too complicated and unforgiving of errors.

underpants

(194,588 posts)
4. I remember a widow lobbying hard on this 25-30 years ago
Fri Dec 12, 2025, 03:27 PM
Dec 12

Everything I’ve heard has been bad too. I thought they halted their use at one time.

lapfog_1

(31,573 posts)
7. yup - unforgiving of errors
Fri Dec 12, 2025, 03:34 PM
Dec 12

control systems were just not up to the task of keeping the damn thing stable on takeoff or transition to forward flight

Gore1FL

(22,814 posts)
6. Even with it's many problems...
Fri Dec 12, 2025, 03:33 PM
Dec 12

…the Osprey is said to be faster than Santa’s Sleigh, assuming the First Lady isn’t a liar.

MuseRider

(35,090 posts)
8. There were some rumors
Fri Dec 12, 2025, 06:27 PM
Dec 12

that 3 or 4 of them were seen flying over my farm a few weeks ago. Suspected to be there for work to be done. I did not see them so I have nothing really to say, we get a LOT of air traffic over the farm with the base so close but I know nothing about any of that. It is fun to watch some of the things flying in. This case makes me a bit nervous so I am hoping those who reported them were blowing smoke.

MarineCombatEngineer

(17,552 posts)
9. I am so fortunate that I retired before this bird came into service,
Fri Dec 12, 2025, 06:39 PM
Dec 12

there but for the grace of god go I.

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