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BumRushDaShow

(165,175 posts)
Sat Dec 6, 2025, 01:16 PM Dec 6

Railroads will be allowed to reduce inspections, rely more on technology to spot track problems

Source: News Tribune Jefferson City, MO/AP

8 hours, 15 minutes ago


The nation's freight railroads are going to be able to try relying more on technology and inspect their tracks in person less often after the federal government approved their waiver request on Friday.

The Association of American Railroads trade group asked for the relief from inspection requirements that were written back in 1971 because railroads believe the automated track inspection technology they use today is so good at spotting problems early that human inspections aren't needed as frequently. They say that extended tests that BNSF and Norfolk Southern ran show that safety actually improved even when human inspections were reduced from twice a week to twice a month.

The Federal Railroad Administration didn't go quite that far in its decision, but the agency said railroads will be able to cut inspections down to only once a week under the approved waiver. The railroads had also asked for permission to have up to three days to repair defects identified by the automated inspections. But the Federal Railroad Administration said any serious defects in the tracks must be repaired immediately and all defects should be addressed within 24 hours.

Union says technology can miss problems. These automated inspection systems use an array of cameras and lasers installed either on a locomotive or on a railcar that can be pulled as part of a train to assess whether the tracks are moving out of alignment or shifting. But the union that represents track inspectors says the technology can't detect things like the rock underneath the track shifting, vegetation growing into the path of the trains, a crack in the rail or railroad ties rotting out. Plus, inspectors can spot a combination of small defects that might together derail a train where the machine might not register a problem, the union says.

Read more: https://www.newstribune.com/news/2025/dec/06/railroads-will-be-allowed-to-reduce-inspections/

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Railroads will be allowed to reduce inspections, rely more on technology to spot track problems (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Dec 6 OP
Someone is making bank. cbabe Dec 6 #1
Have no doubt technology can handle a lot of monitoring. It's a least an aid to inspectors. Silent Type Dec 6 #2
The tech will take time and money to implement. JustABozoOnThisBus Dec 7 #26
Cutting jobs. Eh, if there's a derailment who's really going to get hurt? underpants Dec 6 #3
Using technology is a good thing FredGarvin Dec 6 #6
It's less (good) jobs and less safe. underpants Dec 6 #11
Yup, it's mostly low income folks who live near freight rail tracks IronLionZion Dec 6 #12
Exactly. 👍 underpants Dec 6 #15
It's in their own best interest to inspect the tracks. Gore1FL Dec 6 #4
Europe used this tech for decades FredGarvin Dec 6 #7
Technology is good FredGarvin Dec 6 #5
But the use of these technologies is being pushed over human inspections displacedvermoter Dec 6 #9
It is not about technology jfz9580m Dec 6 #17
This would be a fine OP by itself. yonder Dec 6 #18
Thank you yonder jfz9580m Dec 6 #19
Preventive tech is great fujiyamasan Dec 7 #27
One of the railroad Track Maintenance Monitoring things my dad did during WW2.... electric_blue68 Dec 6 #8
Interesting post jfz9580m Dec 6 #20
Cool! Glad you found it interesting. I hope you felt better as the day went on! electric_blue68 Dec 6 #21
They use remote control instead of engineers now Emile Dec 6 #10
I guess that folks can still sue them if negligent on maint., etc. But they probably, being a carrier, have some law SWBTATTReg Dec 6 #13
What could possibly go wrong? n/t TygrBright Dec 6 #14
"Hold my beer" n/t Cirsium Dec 6 #16
Good Idea reduced inspections and maintenance worked great in eastern Ohio in 2023 Botany Dec 7 #22
And railroads would NEVER cut corners on safety to save money with human crews! hatrack Dec 7 #24
Or hire an environmental firm to do the clean up as was the case in Palestine, OH whose advice was ..... Botany Dec 7 #25
krasnov continues at his record settig pace to kill Americans - for his own personal profit!! lark Dec 7 #23
The technology probably needs inspected too. Sneederbunk Dec 7 #28

cbabe

(6,130 posts)
1. Someone is making bank.
Sat Dec 6, 2025, 01:22 PM
Dec 6

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JustABozoOnThisBus

(24,573 posts)
26. The tech will take time and money to implement.
Sun Dec 7, 2025, 02:33 PM
Dec 7

I'm sure the RRs will create a concept of a plan, as they reduce the number of inspectors.

RR execs will expect bonuses.

underpants

(194,594 posts)
3. Cutting jobs. Eh, if there's a derailment who's really going to get hurt?
Sat Dec 6, 2025, 01:31 PM
Dec 6

People who live near the tracks. Hell it’s a 50/50 shot they live on the wrong side anyway.


It’s like the derailment in East Palestine Ohio wasn’t really that important to them other than for the political TV coverage.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Palestine,_Ohio,_train_derailment

underpants

(194,594 posts)
11. It's less (good) jobs and less safe.
Sat Dec 6, 2025, 04:16 PM
Dec 6

My father in law was railroad and it changed my wife’s life trajectory. That’s why her father got the job. My mother in law has her own railroad pension because of the union. He paid into that not Social Security.

IronLionZion

(50,728 posts)
12. Yup, it's mostly low income folks who live near freight rail tracks
Sat Dec 6, 2025, 07:06 PM
Dec 6

MAGA are always willing to sacrifice such people even if they voted MAGA.

Gore1FL

(22,814 posts)
4. It's in their own best interest to inspect the tracks.
Sat Dec 6, 2025, 02:04 PM
Dec 6

I am guessing they ran some sort of a pilot, already. It would be interesting to see the data they are using to make this call.

FredGarvin

(787 posts)
7. Europe used this tech for decades
Sat Dec 6, 2025, 02:47 PM
Dec 6

Equip a rail car with sensors that measure things that a group of people walking down the tracks cant.

displacedvermoter

(4,080 posts)
9. But the use of these technologies is being pushed over human inspections
Sat Dec 6, 2025, 03:28 PM
Dec 6

not to enhance safety, but to save money and to serve as an excuse to fire people.

That is the benefit Duffy and the railroad companies care about

jfz9580m

(16,508 posts)
17. It is not about technology
Sat Dec 6, 2025, 09:55 PM
Dec 6

If people have a knee-jerk reaction by now, it is not against technology so much as the people pushing it.

The tech industry has to face the fact that they are going to be viewed with suspicion going forward when they have: 1) blatantly or passively championed deregulation; 2) are okay with or actively for algorithmic capture of reality with divide and rule that invariably gives an edge to politicians with the least democratic instincts imaginable (all of the GOP and a handful of conservadems) and 3) hyped up mediocre, sub-standard trash like it’s amazing. That last makes the deregulation and secrecy with which they operate look especially suspicious. These are people with such huge egos. If they are secretive as they typically are, it’s not something awesome they are hiding. It’s collateral damage and mediocrity ffs. A credulous or bought off tech press gushes about so much junk that the whole enterprise has lost all credibility.

I would love for the backlash against Trump to focus on these technofascists over pettier crap in a populace that is going crazy.
They are the cancer striking at the very roots of democracy and this wasn’t overnight. This is a 20 year (at least) project at this point.

These are their bloody patron saints:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/google-ap-amit-mehta-san-francisco-sundar-pichai-b2592280.html

https://futurism.com/the-byte/elon-musk-eliminate-regulations

This is the world they want-where “woke” or left is a bloody sleazy monopolist and covert fascist like Google and the right is the increasingly Nazi, overtly fascistic Musk.
None of this is about tech. That’s a strawman.

It’s about these parasitic billionaires (and their sycophants) behind the tech.

(And I scoff at any MTG style “populists” they try to shill next. With that ass Vance pretending to be a fan of Bernie, Zohran and Ro Khanna (I guess AOC, being a woman, didn’t make the cut), some sort of totally phony, Thiel funded astroturf “anti tech” is going to be the next bullshit pitch to exploit the backlash.

It’s one long exasperating grift. It’s similar to an ass like Tristan Harris sounding faux alarms about tech - those fake populists of the GOP.)

jfz9580m

(16,508 posts)
19. Thank you yonder
Sat Dec 6, 2025, 11:28 PM
Dec 6

I have many rants inside my head these days and Trump 2.0 makes them spill out more but ..lol..I have mixed feelings about posting anything impassioned even under an anonymous handle

Self consciousness kicks in whenever indignation fades ;-/.

It doesn’t fade much these days though

fujiyamasan

(1,127 posts)
27. Preventive tech is great
Sun Dec 7, 2025, 04:14 PM
Dec 7

And it can alert engineers and technicians ahead of time when something about to breakdown.

But I’m wary of technology being a replacement for human inspections. As we know with this administration, regulations that enhance safety are viewed as a burden, so this is just another way to make things easier and cheaper for the corporations.

electric_blue68

(25,621 posts)
8. One of the railroad Track Maintenance Monitoring things my dad did during WW2....
Sat Dec 6, 2025, 03:13 PM
Dec 6

It was a specialized sleep away/galley car with 3 or 4 people.

They had these metal brushes that swept over the rails. These would send electrical signals to, I think, oscilloscopes.

What they were looking out for was hidden rail metal fatigue, particularly because the rails were experiencing massive increases in load bearing during the war.

The rails would start to hollow out from the inside - so totally hidden!
But it would be indicated by a difference in the electrical signals displayed.
I think they sprayed red paint at those spots for the repair crews.

Three days for repairs?! Doesn't sound very good. Maybe depends on what needs repairing.
________________________
On rare occasions at night while in the subway I've seen a practically windowless car come through. I wouldn't be surprised to find out it was doing the same monitoring.

jfz9580m

(16,508 posts)
20. Interesting post
Sat Dec 6, 2025, 11:31 PM
Dec 6

Thanks..bookmarking.
I woke up with a severe headache this morning that’s making thinking harder than usual, but I should reread it later.

Emile

(40,321 posts)
10. They use remote control instead of engineers now
Sat Dec 6, 2025, 03:35 PM
Dec 6

on local train switching. What used to be a four man crew, is now done by one person walking along side of the train with a remote control in his hands operating the engine.

SWBTATTReg

(26,002 posts)
13. I guess that folks can still sue them if negligent on maint., etc. But they probably, being a carrier, have some law
Sat Dec 6, 2025, 07:36 PM
Dec 6

protecting them on limits of liability...

hatrack

(64,176 posts)
24. And railroads would NEVER cut corners on safety to save money with human crews!
Sun Dec 7, 2025, 12:49 PM
Dec 7


Lac Megantic Quebec, 2013 - 47 fatalities.

Botany

(76,254 posts)
25. Or hire an environmental firm to do the clean up as was the case in Palestine, OH whose advice was .....
Sun Dec 7, 2025, 02:03 PM
Dec 7

…. just let the fires burn off the chemicals because that was the easiest and cheapest way to go. Instead of covering the fires with foam, then water, recovering the foam, water, and any of the chemicals that had
leaked out, and then when it was save removing the remaining chemicals from the tank cars.

lark

(25,856 posts)
23. krasnov continues at his record settig pace to kill Americans - for his own personal profit!!
Sun Dec 7, 2025, 12:35 PM
Dec 7

Worse person in the world!
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