Trump expected to take control of USPS, fire postal board, officials say
Source: Washington Post
February 20, 2025 at 7:30 p.m. EST t Updated February 20, 2025 at 7:30 p.m. EST40 minutes ago
President Donald Trump is preparing to dissolve the leadership of the U.S. Postal Service and absorb the independent mail agency into his administration, potentially throwing the 250-year-old mail provider and trillions of dollars of e-commerce transactions into turmoil.
Trump is expected to issue an executive order as soon as this week to fire the members of the Postal Service's governing board and place the agency under the control of the Commerce Department and Secretary Howard Lutnick, according to six people familiar with the plans, who spoke on the condition of anonymity out of fear of reprisals.
The board is planning to fight Trump's order, three of those people told The Washington Post. In an emergency meeting Thursday, the board retained outside counsel and gave instructions to sue the White House if the president were to remove members of the board or attempt to alter the agency's independent status. Trump's order to place the Commerce Department in charge of the Postal Service would probably violate federal law, according to postal experts.
Another executive order earlier this week instructed independent agencies to align more closely with the White House, though that order is likely to prompt court challenges and the Postal Service by law is generally exempt from executive orders. Members of the Postal Service's bipartisan board are appointed by the president and confirmed by the Senate.
Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2025/02/20/trump-usps-takeover-dejoy/
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President Donald Trump is preparing to dissolve the leadership of the U.S. Postal Service and absorb the independent mail agency into his administration, potentially throwing the 250-year-old mail provider and trillions of dollars of ecommerce transactions into turmoil.
Trump is expected to issue an executive order as soon as this week to fire the members of the Postal Service's governing board and place the agency under the control of the Commerce Department and Secretary Howard Lutnick, according to six people familiar with the plans, who spoke on the condition of anonymity out of fear of reprisals.
The board is planning to fight Trump's order, three of those people told The Washington Post. In an emergency meeting Thursday, the board retained outside counsel and gave instructions to sue the White House if the president removed members of the board or attempted to alter the agency's independent status. Trump's order to place the Commerce Department in charge of the Postal Service likely violates federal law, according to postal experts.
Another executive order earlier this week instructed independent agencies to align more closely with the White House, though it's likely to prompt court challenges and the Postal Service by law is generally exempt from executive orders. Members of the Postal Service's bipartisan board are appointed by the president and confirmed by the Senate.
jls4561
(2,829 posts)I suppose hell auction it off to the highest bidder.
C_U_L8R
(48,854 posts)His (awful) work there is done. But thank goodness the board is going to put up a fight. They are going to need a lot of friends.
PSPS
(15,214 posts)Now we know why DeJoy "resigned."
bluestarone
(21,140 posts)We all know this. WE want him stopped and rethugs want America destroyed.
walkingman
(10,325 posts)Last edited Thu Feb 20, 2025, 10:58 PM - Edit history (1)
The oldage - ask for forgiveness, not permission. I sometimes wish our party did the same.
dalton99a
(92,076 posts)
(The Nightmare, 2017)
Seinan Sensei
(1,358 posts)looking over his shoulder, looks like DeJoy himself
drmeow
(5,924 posts)alarimer
(17,146 posts)Will someone/something please rid us of this piece of shit?
Karasu
(2,003 posts)some shit, not that I can see that happening.
birdographer
(2,937 posts)Shady does not have a cult, and he never would. They would not worship at his feet like they do donny. The very first thing is to cut off the head of the snake and have the snake die. Once he is gone, all the kompromat he has on so many senators would be moot, and maybe they would grow some spines. I dont understand why or how he has managed to hold so many in his thrall, but if he were gone, it would be a huge step forward. You dont hear elmo or Shady yelling MAGA everywhere or wearing red caps. Elmo wants to be CEO of America and Shady wants to please Putin, he will flipflop and say anything to get just a little pat on the head from him. You wont see them peddling China-made trinkets or rambling endlessly about magnets and sharks.
Donny wont have a heart attack. He has lived his whole life under pressure; despite his Adderall/allergy meds addiction and fast food diet and 12 diet Cokes a day and total lack of exercise, I dont think that will be what does him in.
TomSlick
(12,879 posts)The terms of USPS governors are set by statute.
dchill
(42,660 posts)TomSlick
(12,879 posts)dchill
(42,660 posts)druidity33
(6,869 posts)TomSlick
(12,879 posts)If a court blocks the firing, it would take someone to actively disobey the order to have the US Marshals involved.
dweller
(27,835 posts)Because federal law establishes the postal service as a core function of the government, privatizing USPS would require Congress to pass a new law.
The U.S. Postal Service in its current form was established by the Postal Reorganization Act of 1970.
That law clearly states that the mail has to be delivered by the federal government, not private companies: The United States Postal Service shall be operated as a basic and fundamental service provided to the people by the Government of the United States, authorized by the Constitution, created by Act of Congress, and supported by the people.
Fuck off Pisswig
✌🏻
Here's an article from Findlaw that lays it out.
https://constitution.findlaw.com/article1/annotation38.html
zorbasd
(514 posts)MAIL IN BALLOTS!!!
chicoescuela
(2,639 posts)Doodley
(11,622 posts)Nasruddin
(1,176 posts)Doodley
(11,622 posts)rampartd
(3,751 posts)ybbor
(1,707 posts)I have a feeling free and fair elections are over, a la Russia, and N. Korea.
bagimin
(1,661 posts)to this maniac? We're watching the dissolution of our goddamn country. This is so sad I alternate between depression and tears. and gratefulness that I may not be around much longer.
Evolve Dammit
(21,495 posts)moniss
(8,697 posts)like stopping because of words on a page.
ms liberty
(10,956 posts)Pinback
(13,501 posts)Thats always the starting point with TSF.
Postal Grunt
(254 posts)The majority of postal workers are now in the FERS retirement system that applies to pretty much all Federal employees. There are very few employees that are in the old CSRS system. Retirees that are in the CSRS plan number less than 5% of retirees. Back in late 1983 when I started with the USPS, I followed my father's advice to choose the CSRS plan rather than FERS. The OPG was still delivering the mail back in my hometown and didn't think much of the FERS offerings. I watched other carriers boast about how their FERS plan was making them a lot of money but when the plan dropped in value, I heard more blues than I could hear at a BB King show.
jeffreyi
(2,511 posts)The Reagan admin was really pushing it. I figured they were not to be trusted, and I stayed with CSRS. Glad I did. I don't put it past these a**holes to mess with it, and the TSP, however.
Wiz Imp
(8,917 posts)Trump may sign an EO but nothing will happen with it anytime soon.
Ilsa
(63,816 posts)evangelical religion. Since ETTD¹, then we'll finally be rid of the misogynistic Trump-lovers.
¹ ETTD means Everything Trump Touches Dies.
Smackdown2019
(1,335 posts)He will issue the order.
The order will not be lawful and the board would remain as the governen body.
Congress may pass in the house, but 60 senators will not come to fruit.
Donny will move onto another agency to destroy.....
PoindexterOglethorpe
(28,452 posts)is probably the best postal system in the world. Especially for the cost. And before you complain about our postage costs, you might want to see what people pay else where. Okay, I'll give you a chance to look it up. . .
In most countries a simple letter is over a dollar, closer to two dollars. I have a friend who does a lot of correspondence, postage stamp exchanges, stuff like that. Among the reasons he corresponds with many people is the relatively low cost of postage. Plus, he belongs to some international post-card exchange, and post card rates are not too high.
Blue Owl
(58,160 posts)There is something very flawed in our quickly disappearing democracy that can make it possible for this shit to happen . Something very, very flawed ..
UpInArms
(54,047 posts)Biden could not even get ride of DeJoy!
How in the holy fucking hell can this malignant piece of flotsam even come up with this crap!
I am beyond words at this point
all I have left is
Fuck fuck fuck fuck
Orrex
(66,670 posts)Johnny2X2X
(23,680 posts)He has no legal authority to do any of these things. He doesnt care because hes a dictator now.
Bluetus
(2,281 posts)to lay off Biden because he didn't have the power to do anything about the USPS, even though Biden was in the position to have appointed a super-majority of Postal Governors, if he could have gotten around to nominating people to fill the vacancies.
MerrilyMerrily
(226 posts)The law sets the number at nine. No more than five from one party, so no super majority. All have to be confirmed by the Senate.
The board was not able to do anything during the Obama administration because the vacancies took the number below the minimum required for action and the Senate rejected SEVEN people nominated by Obama to bring the number back up.
Trump then filled the vacancies, no problema, and the new board elected DeJoy. The new board, even with Biden's nominees for subsequent vacancies, did not oust DeJoy and the law does not allow the President to make them.
I guess Trump does not like independent agencies and thinks he can just wish them into the cornfield.
Bluetus
(2,281 posts)There is no limit on the number of appointments a President can make. He can make appointments for ANY vacancy, and he can appoint Republicans and Independents, as he did. He appointed 2 Dems, one from the Good Old Putin party and one independent.
What he did not do is insist that his appointees get rid of DeJoy. And he left 3 seats vacant for his last year -- even though WE CONTROLLED THE SENATE.
This is absolutely inexcusable. And this is the kind of thing that makes people not want to work hard to get Dems elected. When we have power, we refuse to use it, and come up with lame excuses why we can't do anything, just as you did right there.
MerrilyMerrily
(226 posts)The article does say that Biden could have pushed harder, knowing it would lead to a lawsuit, and gambled that the SC court would let him assert more control over independent federal agencies. But if they did, it would give the NEXT president the same power. Now, this article was written before the SC made it so very clear it can't be trusted to interpret the law fairly. Today, I assume they would have denied Biden the power and then turned around and given it to Trump with two scoops of ice cream.
Biden did not leave three vacancies, there were three nominations pending from July 2024 through December 2024. Those nominations expired when Congress adjourned without confirming them. I got that from Wikipedia. It does not say why, but because of Manchin and Sinema the Democratic majority was not real anymore, even though Schumer and the chairs of committees got to keep their titles.
Nobody said there was a limit on appointments. There are nine and only nine governors, with staggered terms. There can never be more than five from one party.
There were several more articles written about this during DeJoy's tenure. I found them on Google, there are other places to find them too.
Facts that contradict the accusation that Biden failed in this are not "excuses." They are just facts.
Bluetus
(2,281 posts)It is not complicated. A majority of USPS Governors can fire the PM General. There is absolutely no question about their authority to do so and there are no legal issues with that. Indeed, that is their main job -- to hire the PM General and Asst. PM General and to oversee their plans and strategies. That is what they do.
Biden appointed 4 (including a Republican and an Independent) and left 3 seats completely vacant for over a year because he just couldn't get around to naming appointees and/or Schumer couldn't be troubled with moving that through the confirmation process.
There is no legal issue whatsoever with the President asking potential appointees what there feeling is about the job DeJoy is doing. In fact, it would be gross negligence NOT to ask such questions. And if Biden rejected those who thought DeJoy was just fine, that is absolutely the President's prerogative.
Where do people keep coming up with this nonsense? The facts are right there in the charter of the USPS.
Stop defending this incompetence. On top of everything else we are dealing with, I now have packages stuck in sorting centers for well over a month because of DeJoy's actions to destroy the USPS. This was all 100% avoidable if Biden had just taken 2 hours sometime during his 4 years to screen some candidates, and Schumer has bot been a complete incompetent in his job.
Diamond_Dog
(39,759 posts)birdographer
(2,937 posts)He will keel over when a hero comes along. Given that he is the most loathed and despised person on the planet, threatening the economies and trade of so many countries, pissing off people in high places with connections, I truly believe (and hope) that a hero will come along from somewhere to put us, and the rest of the world, out of our misery.
Diamond_Dog
(39,759 posts)Dem4life1234
(2,533 posts)I hate all of these POS. No redeeming qualities.
Leave the post office alone.
Blue Dotty
(165 posts)Solly Mack
(96,317 posts)Not explaining.
SunSeeker
(57,514 posts)The U.S. Postal Service in its current form was established by the Postal Reorganization Act of 1970, Title 39 of the U.S. Code.
That law clearly states that the 11-seat board of governors oversees USPSs operations, not the President, nor the Secretary of Commerce.
Because this is enshrined in federal law, the President cannot change that with executive orders. It can only be done by an act of Congress.
oasis
(53,345 posts)BumRushDaShow
(165,661 posts)has been in violation of a law established by Congress, and has required that long slog through the courts to halt it (where he has been ignoring court orders).
SunSeeker
(57,514 posts)And people already are, like his EO to end birthright citizenship, once a federal court declares the EO unlawful and enjoined their implementation.
BumRushDaShow
(165,661 posts)and I think states have started doing that (e.g., NY after the intrusion into the congestion pricing).
Problem is - particularly with things like funding halts - is that the feds control the financial/bank spigot.
SunSeeker
(57,514 posts)Courts need to start holding his cabinet secretaries in contempt, not giving them second and third chances, like this bullshit: https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/5156503-judge-rules-trump-administration-violated-court-order-foreign-aid-freeze/
BumRushDaShow
(165,661 posts)I have had enough procurement training as a former fed supervisor, about the Antideficiency Act and much of the other federal financial laws, where civil servants were read the riot act to warn against violations.
I think the "problem" is that over many decades, judges are used to hearing all kinds of crap in trial court - much of it filled with hubris and hyperbole, so they have sensitized themselves to it, wave it away, and have a tendency towards "tuning it all out". They probably consider much that is presented before them being nothing more than lawyers "crying wolf".
HOWEVER, this is an extremely rare case where the alarm IS REAL and they MUST ACT.
I.e., it's just like a fire alarm in a building that might be faulty and continually goes off for weeks and months with no "real fire" present, and eventually people ignore it. But then you may have the one time when there IS a real fire and ignoring it can mean bad things.
JBTaurus83
(873 posts)Setting the stage for the next rigged election.