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BumRushDaShow

(165,660 posts)
Thu Feb 20, 2025, 07:43 PM Feb 2025

Trump expected to take control of USPS, fire postal board, officials say

Source: Washington Post

February 20, 2025 at 7:30 p.m. EST t Updated February 20, 2025 at 7:30 p.m. EST40 minutes ago


President Donald Trump is preparing to dissolve the leadership of the U.S. Postal Service and absorb the independent mail agency into his administration, potentially throwing the 250-year-old mail provider and trillions of dollars of e-commerce transactions into turmoil.

Trump is expected to issue an executive order as soon as this week to fire the members of the Postal Service's governing board and place the agency under the control of the Commerce Department and Secretary Howard Lutnick, according to six people familiar with the plans, who spoke on the condition of anonymity out of fear of reprisals.

The board is planning to fight Trump's order, three of those people told The Washington Post. In an emergency meeting Thursday, the board retained outside counsel and gave instructions to sue the White House if the president were to remove members of the board or attempt to alter the agency's independent status. Trump's order to place the Commerce Department in charge of the Postal Service would probably violate federal law, according to postal experts.

Another executive order earlier this week instructed independent agencies to align more closely with the White House, though that order is likely to prompt court challenges and the Postal Service by law is generally exempt from executive orders. Members of the Postal Service's bipartisan board are appointed by the president and confirmed by the Senate.

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2025/02/20/trump-usps-takeover-dejoy/



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February 20, 2025 at 7:30 p.m. EST


President Donald Trump is preparing to dissolve the leadership of the U.S. Postal Service and absorb the independent mail agency into his administration, potentially throwing the 250-year-old mail provider and trillions of dollars of ecommerce transactions into turmoil.

Trump is expected to issue an executive order as soon as this week to fire the members of the Postal Service's governing board and place the agency under the control of the Commerce Department and Secretary Howard Lutnick, according to six people familiar with the plans, who spoke on the condition of anonymity out of fear of reprisals.

The board is planning to fight Trump's order, three of those people told The Washington Post. In an emergency meeting Thursday, the board retained outside counsel and gave instructions to sue the White House if the president removed members of the board or attempted to alter the agency's independent status. Trump's order to place the Commerce Department in charge of the Postal Service likely violates federal law, according to postal experts.

Another executive order earlier this week instructed independent agencies to align more closely with the White House, though it's likely to prompt court challenges and the Postal Service by law is generally exempt from executive orders. Members of the Postal Service's bipartisan board are appointed by the president and confirmed by the Senate.
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Trump expected to take control of USPS, fire postal board, officials say (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Feb 2025 OP
Is there anything he won't touch with his nasty, short, vulgar little fingers? jls4561 Feb 2025 #1
No wonder DeJoy was running for the exit C_U_L8R Feb 2025 #2
Obviously illegal since it's an independent body established by congress. PSPS Feb 2025 #3
He's here to destroy as much of America that he's allowed to. bluestarone Feb 2025 #4
He already screwed it up. I think he is doing this just to show he can. walkingman Feb 2025 #5
Kick dalton99a Feb 2025 #6
That pig character in the back Seinan Sensei Feb 2025 #16
He does! nt drmeow Feb 2025 #60
Please have a heart attack NOW. alarimer Feb 2025 #7
A heart attack would just give us JD Vance, so it'd be a short-lived reprieve. At this point, we need an overthrow or Karasu Feb 2025 #12
No, it might help birdographer Feb 2025 #36
Illegal on its face. TomSlick Feb 2025 #8
In all seriousness, I ask you, "So?" dchill Feb 2025 #33
So, the courts will block the attempt. TomSlick Feb 2025 #34
And the US Marshals will enforce? dchill Feb 2025 #41
The Postal Service has its own police force. nt. druidity33 Feb 2025 #57
We're miles away from that question. TomSlick Feb 2025 #59
More illegality dweller Feb 2025 #9
This! boonecreek Feb 2025 #38
Can you say zorbasd Feb 2025 #10
Exactly chicoescuela Feb 2025 #23
The more Trump interfers with, the more voters will blame him for when things go wrong. And they will go wrong. Doodley Feb 2025 #11
We've been dreaming this dream since 2016 Nasruddin Feb 2025 #14
Agreed, but this isn't 2016. This is a wholesale takeover of every government agency. Trump will be blamed when it fails Doodley Feb 2025 #17
mercs law : repubs are never blamed for anything rampartd Feb 2025 #28
I'm not sure elections are a thing anymore ybbor Feb 2025 #22
Is nothing sacred bagimin Feb 2025 #13
I hear ya. It's easy to destroy stuff. Much harder to build it. Never thought America could fall to domestic terrorism. Evolve Dammit Feb 2025 #15
A finding of illegality is words on a page and I don't think they feel moniss Feb 2025 #18
There's an enormous sum of money in the pension fund ms liberty Feb 2025 #19
"Follow the money." Pinback Feb 2025 #26
Not So Much Postal Grunt Feb 2025 #47
When FERS came along jeffreyi Feb 2025 #49
More lawsuits coming. More TROs. Wiz Imp Feb 2025 #20
Someone needs to convince him to take over Ilsa Feb 2025 #21
Yes and No Smackdown2019 Feb 2025 #24
The US Postal Service, for all its flaws, PoindexterOglethorpe Feb 2025 #25
Why the fuck does an out-of-control criminal rapist get to do whatever he wants? Blue Owl Feb 2025 #27
What fucking utter bullshit! UpInArms Feb 2025 #29
Wait. Biden couldn't get rid of DeJoy in four years, but Trump can just get rid of the USPS? Orrex Feb 2025 #30
We now have a dictator. Johnny2X2X Feb 2025 #31
Where are all the people who have been telling us the past 4 years Bluetus Feb 2025 #32
Biden was not in a position to do that. MerrilyMerrily Feb 2025 #40
You don't know what you are talking about. Bluetus Feb 2025 #44
Here's one article with the facts MerrilyMerrily Feb 2025 #46
That article is hooey Bluetus Feb 2025 #58
When is he going to keel over!!! I cry for what he has already destroyed!! And it's only been a few weeks!! Diamond_Dog Feb 2025 #35
Answer to your question... birdographer Feb 2025 #37
It can't happen soon enough. Diamond_Dog Feb 2025 #45
Get me out of this timeline Dem4life1234 Feb 2025 #39
Independent agencies not exempt from his pillage. Sirens going off re: FDIC/NCUA yet? n/t Blue Dotty Feb 2025 #42
Tinpsttp. Solly Mack Feb 2025 #43
The USPS is established under federal law. Trump can't overturn a federal law with an executive order. SunSeeker Feb 2025 #48
Thank you oasis Feb 2025 #50
Everything he has done BumRushDaShow Feb 2025 #51
It's time people started ignoring these EOs once they're enjoined. SunSeeker Feb 2025 #52
It does need to happen BumRushDaShow Feb 2025 #53
It is illegal to turn off the spigot for funds that have been appropriated by Congress. SunSeeker Feb 2025 #54
Oh I know BumRushDaShow Feb 2025 #55
He would destroy mail in voting JBTaurus83 Feb 2025 #56

jls4561

(2,829 posts)
1. Is there anything he won't touch with his nasty, short, vulgar little fingers?
Thu Feb 20, 2025, 07:47 PM
Feb 2025

I suppose he’ll auction it off to the highest bidder.

C_U_L8R

(48,854 posts)
2. No wonder DeJoy was running for the exit
Thu Feb 20, 2025, 07:48 PM
Feb 2025

His (awful) work there is done. But thank goodness the board is going to put up a fight. They are going to need a lot of friends.

PSPS

(15,214 posts)
3. Obviously illegal since it's an independent body established by congress.
Thu Feb 20, 2025, 07:49 PM
Feb 2025

Now we know why DeJoy "resigned."

bluestarone

(21,140 posts)
4. He's here to destroy as much of America that he's allowed to.
Thu Feb 20, 2025, 07:53 PM
Feb 2025

We all know this. WE want him stopped and rethugs want America destroyed.

walkingman

(10,325 posts)
5. He already screwed it up. I think he is doing this just to show he can.
Thu Feb 20, 2025, 07:57 PM
Feb 2025

Last edited Thu Feb 20, 2025, 10:58 PM - Edit history (1)

The oldage - ask for forgiveness, not permission. I sometimes wish our party did the same.

 

alarimer

(17,146 posts)
7. Please have a heart attack NOW.
Thu Feb 20, 2025, 07:59 PM
Feb 2025

Will someone/something please rid us of this piece of shit?

Karasu

(2,003 posts)
12. A heart attack would just give us JD Vance, so it'd be a short-lived reprieve. At this point, we need an overthrow or
Thu Feb 20, 2025, 08:21 PM
Feb 2025

some shit, not that I can see that happening.

birdographer

(2,937 posts)
36. No, it might help
Thu Feb 20, 2025, 09:49 PM
Feb 2025

Shady does not have a cult, and he never would. They would not worship at his feet like they do donny. The very first thing is to cut off the head of the snake and have the snake die. Once he is gone, all the kompromat he has on so many senators would be moot, and maybe they would grow some spines. I don’t understand why or how he has managed to hold so many in his thrall, but if he were gone, it would be a huge step forward. You don’t hear elmo or Shady yelling MAGA everywhere or wearing red caps. Elmo wants to be CEO of America and Shady wants to please Putin, he will flipflop and say anything to get just a little pat on the head from him. You won’t see them peddling China-made trinkets or rambling endlessly about magnets and sharks.

Donny won’t have a heart attack. He has lived his whole life under pressure; despite his Adderall/allergy meds addiction and fast food diet and 12 diet Cokes a day and total lack of exercise, I don’t think that will be what does him in.

TomSlick

(12,879 posts)
59. We're miles away from that question.
Fri Feb 21, 2025, 01:27 PM
Feb 2025

If a court blocks the firing, it would take someone to actively disobey the order to have the US Marshals involved.

dweller

(27,835 posts)
9. More illegality
Thu Feb 20, 2025, 08:08 PM
Feb 2025

Because federal law establishes the postal service as a core function of the government, privatizing USPS would require Congress to pass a new law.
The U.S. Postal Service in its current form was established by the Postal Reorganization Act of 1970.
That law clearly states that the mail has to be delivered by the federal government, not private companies: “The United States Postal Service shall be operated as a basic and fundamental service provided to the people by the Government of the United States, authorized by the Constitution, created by Act of Congress, and supported by the people.”

Fuck off Pisswig




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Doodley

(11,622 posts)
11. The more Trump interfers with, the more voters will blame him for when things go wrong. And they will go wrong.
Thu Feb 20, 2025, 08:11 PM
Feb 2025

Doodley

(11,622 posts)
17. Agreed, but this isn't 2016. This is a wholesale takeover of every government agency. Trump will be blamed when it fails
Thu Feb 20, 2025, 08:42 PM
Feb 2025

ybbor

(1,707 posts)
22. I'm not sure elections are a thing anymore
Thu Feb 20, 2025, 09:10 PM
Feb 2025

I have a feeling free and fair elections are over, a la Russia, and N. Korea.

bagimin

(1,661 posts)
13. Is nothing sacred
Thu Feb 20, 2025, 08:27 PM
Feb 2025

to this maniac? We're watching the dissolution of our goddamn country. This is so sad I alternate between depression and tears. and gratefulness that I may not be around much longer.

Evolve Dammit

(21,495 posts)
15. I hear ya. It's easy to destroy stuff. Much harder to build it. Never thought America could fall to domestic terrorism.
Thu Feb 20, 2025, 08:34 PM
Feb 2025

moniss

(8,697 posts)
18. A finding of illegality is words on a page and I don't think they feel
Thu Feb 20, 2025, 08:46 PM
Feb 2025

like stopping because of words on a page.

Postal Grunt

(254 posts)
47. Not So Much
Fri Feb 21, 2025, 01:46 AM
Feb 2025

The majority of postal workers are now in the FERS retirement system that applies to pretty much all Federal employees. There are very few employees that are in the old CSRS system. Retirees that are in the CSRS plan number less than 5% of retirees. Back in late 1983 when I started with the USPS, I followed my father's advice to choose the CSRS plan rather than FERS. The OPG was still delivering the mail back in my hometown and didn't think much of the FERS offerings. I watched other carriers boast about how their FERS plan was making them a lot of money but when the plan dropped in value, I heard more blues than I could hear at a BB King show.

jeffreyi

(2,511 posts)
49. When FERS came along
Fri Feb 21, 2025, 02:54 AM
Feb 2025

The Reagan admin was really pushing it. I figured they were not to be trusted, and I stayed with CSRS. Glad I did. I don't put it past these a**holes to mess with it, and the TSP, however.

Wiz Imp

(8,917 posts)
20. More lawsuits coming. More TROs.
Thu Feb 20, 2025, 09:04 PM
Feb 2025

Trump may sign an EO but nothing will happen with it anytime soon.

Ilsa

(63,816 posts)
21. Someone needs to convince him to take over
Thu Feb 20, 2025, 09:06 PM
Feb 2025

evangelical religion. Since ETTD¹, then we'll finally be rid of the misogynistic Trump-lovers.

¹ ETTD means Everything Trump Touches Dies.

Smackdown2019

(1,335 posts)
24. Yes and No
Thu Feb 20, 2025, 09:25 PM
Feb 2025

He will issue the order.

The order will not be lawful and the board would remain as the governen body.

Congress may pass in the house, but 60 senators will not come to fruit.

Donny will move onto another agency to destroy.....

PoindexterOglethorpe

(28,452 posts)
25. The US Postal Service, for all its flaws,
Thu Feb 20, 2025, 09:25 PM
Feb 2025

is probably the best postal system in the world. Especially for the cost. And before you complain about our postage costs, you might want to see what people pay else where. Okay, I'll give you a chance to look it up. . .

In most countries a simple letter is over a dollar, closer to two dollars. I have a friend who does a lot of correspondence, postage stamp exchanges, stuff like that. Among the reasons he corresponds with many people is the relatively low cost of postage. Plus, he belongs to some international post-card exchange, and post card rates are not too high.

Blue Owl

(58,160 posts)
27. Why the fuck does an out-of-control criminal rapist get to do whatever he wants?
Thu Feb 20, 2025, 09:29 PM
Feb 2025

There is something very flawed in our quickly disappearing democracy that can make it possible for this shit to happen …. Something very, very flawed…..

UpInArms

(54,047 posts)
29. What fucking utter bullshit!
Thu Feb 20, 2025, 09:31 PM
Feb 2025

Biden could not even get ride of DeJoy!

How in the holy fucking hell can this malignant piece of flotsam even come up with this crap!

I am beyond words at this point … all I have left is


Fuck fuck fuck fuck

Orrex

(66,670 posts)
30. Wait. Biden couldn't get rid of DeJoy in four years, but Trump can just get rid of the USPS?
Thu Feb 20, 2025, 09:32 PM
Feb 2025

Johnny2X2X

(23,680 posts)
31. We now have a dictator.
Thu Feb 20, 2025, 09:37 PM
Feb 2025

He has no legal authority to do any of these things. He doesn’t care because he’s a dictator now.

Bluetus

(2,281 posts)
32. Where are all the people who have been telling us the past 4 years
Thu Feb 20, 2025, 09:38 PM
Feb 2025

to lay off Biden because he didn't have the power to do anything about the USPS, even though Biden was in the position to have appointed a super-majority of Postal Governors, if he could have gotten around to nominating people to fill the vacancies.

MerrilyMerrily

(226 posts)
40. Biden was not in a position to do that.
Thu Feb 20, 2025, 10:04 PM
Feb 2025

The law sets the number at nine. No more than five from one party, so no super majority. All have to be confirmed by the Senate.

The board was not able to do anything during the Obama administration because the vacancies took the number below the minimum required for action and the Senate rejected SEVEN people nominated by Obama to bring the number back up.

Trump then filled the vacancies, no problema, and the new board elected DeJoy. The new board, even with Biden's nominees for subsequent vacancies, did not oust DeJoy and the law does not allow the President to make them.

I guess Trump does not like independent agencies and thinks he can just wish them into the cornfield.

Bluetus

(2,281 posts)
44. You don't know what you are talking about.
Thu Feb 20, 2025, 10:18 PM
Feb 2025

There is no limit on the number of appointments a President can make. He can make appointments for ANY vacancy, and he can appoint Republicans and Independents, as he did. He appointed 2 Dems, one from the Good Old Putin party and one independent.

What he did not do is insist that his appointees get rid of DeJoy. And he left 3 seats vacant for his last year -- even though WE CONTROLLED THE SENATE.

This is absolutely inexcusable. And this is the kind of thing that makes people not want to work hard to get Dems elected. When we have power, we refuse to use it, and come up with lame excuses why we can't do anything, just as you did right there.

MerrilyMerrily

(226 posts)
46. Here's one article with the facts
Fri Feb 21, 2025, 12:50 AM
Feb 2025
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/02/biden-cannot-fire-usps-louis-dejoy.html

The article does say that Biden could have pushed harder, knowing it would lead to a lawsuit, and gambled that the SC court would let him assert more control over independent federal agencies. But if they did, it would give the NEXT president the same power. Now, this article was written before the SC made it so very clear it can't be trusted to interpret the law fairly. Today, I assume they would have denied Biden the power and then turned around and given it to Trump with two scoops of ice cream.

Biden did not leave three vacancies, there were three nominations pending from July 2024 through December 2024. Those nominations expired when Congress adjourned without confirming them. I got that from Wikipedia. It does not say why, but because of Manchin and Sinema the Democratic majority was not real anymore, even though Schumer and the chairs of committees got to keep their titles.

Nobody said there was a limit on appointments. There are nine and only nine governors, with staggered terms. There can never be more than five from one party.

There were several more articles written about this during DeJoy's tenure. I found them on Google, there are other places to find them too.

Facts that contradict the accusation that Biden failed in this are not "excuses." They are just facts.

Bluetus

(2,281 posts)
58. That article is hooey
Fri Feb 21, 2025, 10:38 AM
Feb 2025

It is not complicated. A majority of USPS Governors can fire the PM General. There is absolutely no question about their authority to do so and there are no legal issues with that. Indeed, that is their main job -- to hire the PM General and Asst. PM General and to oversee their plans and strategies. That is what they do.

Biden appointed 4 (including a Republican and an Independent) and left 3 seats completely vacant for over a year because he just couldn't get around to naming appointees and/or Schumer couldn't be troubled with moving that through the confirmation process.

There is no legal issue whatsoever with the President asking potential appointees what there feeling is about the job DeJoy is doing. In fact, it would be gross negligence NOT to ask such questions. And if Biden rejected those who thought DeJoy was just fine, that is absolutely the President's prerogative.

Where do people keep coming up with this nonsense? The facts are right there in the charter of the USPS.

Stop defending this incompetence. On top of everything else we are dealing with, I now have packages stuck in sorting centers for well over a month because of DeJoy's actions to destroy the USPS. This was all 100% avoidable if Biden had just taken 2 hours sometime during his 4 years to screen some candidates, and Schumer has bot been a complete incompetent in his job.

Diamond_Dog

(39,759 posts)
35. When is he going to keel over!!! I cry for what he has already destroyed!! And it's only been a few weeks!!
Thu Feb 20, 2025, 09:48 PM
Feb 2025

birdographer

(2,937 posts)
37. Answer to your question...
Thu Feb 20, 2025, 09:54 PM
Feb 2025

He will keel over when a hero comes along. Given that he is the most loathed and despised person on the planet, threatening the economies and trade of so many countries, pissing off people in high places with connections, I truly believe (and hope) that a hero will come along from somewhere to put us, and the rest of the world, out of our misery.

Dem4life1234

(2,533 posts)
39. Get me out of this timeline
Thu Feb 20, 2025, 10:04 PM
Feb 2025

I hate all of these POS. No redeeming qualities.



Leave the post office alone.

SunSeeker

(57,514 posts)
48. The USPS is established under federal law. Trump can't overturn a federal law with an executive order.
Fri Feb 21, 2025, 02:34 AM
Feb 2025

The U.S. Postal Service in its current form was established by the Postal Reorganization Act of 1970, Title 39 of the U.S. Code.

That law clearly states that the 11-seat board of governors oversees USPS’s operations, not the President, nor the Secretary of Commerce.

Because this is enshrined in federal law, the President cannot change that with executive orders. It can only be done by an act of Congress.


BumRushDaShow

(165,660 posts)
51. Everything he has done
Fri Feb 21, 2025, 04:47 AM
Feb 2025

has been in violation of a law established by Congress, and has required that long slog through the courts to halt it (where he has been ignoring court orders).

SunSeeker

(57,514 posts)
52. It's time people started ignoring these EOs once they're enjoined.
Fri Feb 21, 2025, 05:00 AM
Feb 2025

And people already are, like his EO to end birthright citizenship, once a federal court declares the EO unlawful and enjoined their implementation.

BumRushDaShow

(165,660 posts)
53. It does need to happen
Fri Feb 21, 2025, 05:07 AM
Feb 2025

and I think states have started doing that (e.g., NY after the intrusion into the congestion pricing).

Problem is - particularly with things like funding halts - is that the feds control the financial/bank spigot.

SunSeeker

(57,514 posts)
54. It is illegal to turn off the spigot for funds that have been appropriated by Congress.
Fri Feb 21, 2025, 05:15 AM
Feb 2025

Courts need to start holding his cabinet secretaries in contempt, not giving them second and third chances, like this bullshit: https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/5156503-judge-rules-trump-administration-violated-court-order-foreign-aid-freeze/

BumRushDaShow

(165,660 posts)
55. Oh I know
Fri Feb 21, 2025, 05:54 AM
Feb 2025

I have had enough procurement training as a former fed supervisor, about the Antideficiency Act and much of the other federal financial laws, where civil servants were read the riot act to warn against violations.

I think the "problem" is that over many decades, judges are used to hearing all kinds of crap in trial court - much of it filled with hubris and hyperbole, so they have sensitized themselves to it, wave it away, and have a tendency towards "tuning it all out". They probably consider much that is presented before them being nothing more than lawyers "crying wolf".

HOWEVER, this is an extremely rare case where the alarm IS REAL and they MUST ACT.

I.e., it's just like a fire alarm in a building that might be faulty and continually goes off for weeks and months with no "real fire" present, and eventually people ignore it. But then you may have the one time when there IS a real fire and ignoring it can mean bad things.

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