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BumRushDaShow

(146,022 posts)
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 07:49 PM Jan 12

Biden calls for immediate ceasefire in call with Netanyahu, White House says

Source: Reuters

January 12, 2025 1:17 PM EST Updated 3 hours ago


WASHINGTON, Jan 12 (Reuters) - U.S. President Joe Biden spoke on Sunday with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, the White House said, as U.S. officials race to reach a Gaza hostage and ceasefire deal before Biden leaves office on Jan. 20.

Biden and Netanyahu discussed efforts underway to reach a deal to halt the fighting in the Palestinian enclave and free the remaining hostages there, the White House said in a statement after the two leaders spoke by telephone. Biden "stressed the immediate need for a ceasefire in Gaza and return of the hostages with a surge in humanitarian aid enabled by a stoppage in the fighting under the deal," it said.

Netanyahu updated Biden on progress in the talks and on the mandate he has given his top-level security delegation now in Doha in order to advance a hostage deal, Netanyahu said in a statement.

The two leaders also discussed "the fundamentally changed regional circumstances following the ceasefire deal in Lebanon, the fall of the Assad regime in Syria, and the weakening of Iran’s power in the region," the White House said. Biden's national security adviser Jake Sullivan told CNN's "State of the Union" program earlier on Sunday that the parties were "very, very close" to reaching a deal, but still had to get it across the finish line.

Read more: https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/biden-likely-talk-with-netanyahu-hostage-deal-very-close-security-adviser-says-2025-01-12/

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Biden calls for immediate ceasefire in call with Netanyahu, White House says (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Jan 12 OP
Biden (and likely Netanyahu) would rather see this happen on Biden's watch than his successor's ificandream Jan 12 #1
For some reason BumRushDaShow Jan 12 #2
... C0RI0LANUS Jan 12 #7
I think netanyahu will wait until Trump is inaugurated drray23 Jan 12 #3
At this point I agree. I wish Biden had used more leverage earlier on. Just handed Hamas et. al. future recruits by... dutch777 Jan 12 #4
It's always been on Netanyahu. Not us. LeftInTX Jan 12 #11
I also agree - Netanyahu and Trump are 2 peas in a pod. Like with Carter walkingman Jan 12 #5
"Israel could have declared victory months ago. " endgenocide Jan 13 #16
He could never declare victory Sundance1220 Jan 13 #19
When I said declare victory - I honestly believe that Israel and Hamas could have come to walkingman Jan 13 #23
you think Hamas would have given back all the hostages? Er... why, exactly? Why would they give up their leverage? thebigidea Jan 13 #28
It's not hard to understand Sundance1220 Jan 14 #32
Theatre for the history books. Biden could have Gaugamela Jan 12 #6
How? It's Netanyahu's decision. He's doing it to please Trump. LeftInTX Jan 12 #12
Where does Israel get it's unending supply of weapons? Gaugamela Jan 12 #13
They have their own and can get them from Trump if they want. LeftInTX Jan 13 #14
Israel has received unparalleled US support in way of weapons since its inception. Gaugamela Jan 13 #24
So. Are you blaming Biden???? Did Biden tell them to kill the Palestinians?? LeftInTX Jan 13 #30
If you say so . . . Gaugamela Jan 13 #31
Wrong. maxsolomon Jan 13 #17
Wrong! 10/7 was a horrific terrorist attack, but not an existential issue for Israel, just as 9/11 was not Gaugamela Jan 13 #25
Given that the Holocaust is generational trauma for many Israeli Jews, maxsolomon Jan 13 #27
The Palestinians weren't responsible for the Holocaust. -- Over and out. Gaugamela Jan 13 #29
No, but they sided with hitler Sundance1220 Jan 14 #36
Didn't say they were. maxsolomon Jan 14 #37
Without hamas releasing all the hostages? Sundance1220 Jan 13 #20
Netanyahu doesn't give a rat's ass about the hostages. That's what all the protests in Israel have been about. Gaugamela Jan 13 #26
Good faith? Hamas? Sundance1220 Jan 14 #33
The question is whether Netanyahu can negotiate in good faith, which is what Gaugamela Jan 14 #34
Meanwhile Israel is the side that HAS Sundance1220 Jan 14 #35
Joe should have pressed harder on this before the election, Jack Valentino Jan 12 #8
Seems like he might have endgenocide Jan 12 #9
That SALE is not a done deal, but it is certainly likely. maxsolomon Jan 13 #18
It's all on Netanyahu, not Biden. It always has been. LeftInTX Jan 12 #10
How many billions have we given to Israel? womanofthehills Jan 13 #21
So, are you blaming Biden? LeftInTX Jan 13 #22
Hang it up Joe pfitz59 Jan 13 #15

BumRushDaShow

(146,022 posts)
2. For some reason
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 08:00 PM
Jan 12

this feels like the opposite - a repeat of 1981 and Raygun's inauguration day.

drray23

(8,062 posts)
3. I think netanyahu will wait until Trump is inaugurated
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 08:06 PM
Jan 12

Same thing that happened with Jimmy Carter and the Iranian hostage situation.

dutch777

(3,780 posts)
4. At this point I agree. I wish Biden had used more leverage earlier on. Just handed Hamas et. al. future recruits by...
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 08:14 PM
Jan 12

...letting this go on and on. And from each cycle of violence the terrorists come by more vicious, dedicated and in greater numbers.

walkingman

(8,727 posts)
5. I also agree - Netanyahu and Trump are 2 peas in a pod. Like with Carter
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 08:44 PM
Jan 12

Trump will get credit for ending the conflict (or cease fire) when in reality Israel could have declared victory months ago.

 

endgenocide

(166 posts)
16. "Israel could have declared victory months ago. "
Mon Jan 13, 2025, 07:35 AM
Jan 13

Not while there are still buildings, schools and hospitals to destroy!

Sundance1220

(248 posts)
19. He could never declare victory
Mon Jan 13, 2025, 03:17 PM
Jan 13

as long as there was even one hostage left behind. You obiously have no idea how Israeli's think.

walkingman

(8,727 posts)
23. When I said declare victory - I honestly believe that Israel and Hamas could have come to
Mon Jan 13, 2025, 04:53 PM
Jan 13

an agreement, including releasing the hostages, if it were not for Netanyahu. I also think that until Israel abides by International law regarding the settlements, there will never be peace. I can not understand why that is hard to understand?

thebigidea

(13,436 posts)
28. you think Hamas would have given back all the hostages? Er... why, exactly? Why would they give up their leverage?
Mon Jan 13, 2025, 08:42 PM
Jan 13

in exchange for what?

Sundance1220

(248 posts)
32. It's not hard to understand
Tue Jan 14, 2025, 02:27 AM
Jan 14

With all due respect, I think it's ridiculous to think hamas would have given back the hostages. Blaming just Bibi is delusional.

LeftInTX

(31,780 posts)
14. They have their own and can get them from Trump if they want.
Mon Jan 13, 2025, 12:01 AM
Jan 13

Why don't they want them from Trump?

Gaugamela

(2,708 posts)
24. Israel has received unparalleled US support in way of weapons since its inception.
Mon Jan 13, 2025, 08:01 PM
Jan 13

The US sends more weapons to Israel than to any other country. Israel gets 70% of their arms from us. This link from the Council on Foreign Relations has several charts laying it out.
https://www.cfr.org/article/us-aid-israel-four-charts

Israel does make weapons but not on the scale necessary to sustain the current genocide in Gaza. And if they were self-sufficient in weapons manufacturing, then why are we spending so much on supplying them? And what difference would it make if we cut them off?

If you pay attention to reporting on the conflict, it is mentioned over and over again that the bombs falling on Gaza are US made. So are the planes. This is why there has been so many protests here in the US.

In the '80s when Israel invaded Lebanon Reagan called up Menachim Begin and told him to get out of Lebanon or he would cut off all arms shipments. Begin called back in 20 minutes to inform Reagan that they were withdrawing. US presidents have historically used this leverage to keep Israeli expansionism in check. Until now. Biden could have used this pressure to force Netanyahu to accept a ceasefire deal in exchange for the hostages a year ago. It says something when Ronald Reagan has the high moral ground on this.

Israel is a major weapons exporter, but its military has been heavily reliant on imported aircraft, guided bombs and missiles to conduct what experts have described as one of the most intense and destructive aerial campaigns in recent history.
. . . .
The US is by far the biggest supplier of arms to Israel, having helped it build one of the most technologically sophisticated militaries in the world.

According to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI), the US accounted for 69% of Israel's imports of major conventional arms between 2019 and 2023.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68737412

LeftInTX

(31,780 posts)
30. So. Are you blaming Biden???? Did Biden tell them to kill the Palestinians??
Mon Jan 13, 2025, 10:01 PM
Jan 13

Does Israel have free will???

This whole protest stuff was staged to get Trump elected.

The protesting miraculously stopped as soon as Trump won.

Once again the protests were all about "genocide Joe" and "killer Kamala". They never said a negative word about Trump...ever....

maxsolomon

(35,554 posts)
17. Wrong.
Mon Jan 13, 2025, 02:40 PM
Jan 13

10/7 made this an existential issue for Israel. They like our congressionally appropriated bombs, but they make plenty of their own.

Gaugamela

(2,708 posts)
25. Wrong! 10/7 was a horrific terrorist attack, but not an existential issue for Israel, just as 9/11 was not
Mon Jan 13, 2025, 08:19 PM
Jan 13

an existential threat to the US.

The Palestinians do not have fighter aircraft, tanks, 500 lb or 2000 lb bombs, cruise missiles, a navy, or nuclear weapons. Israel has been an existential threat to the Palestinians since the Nakba. Israel has systematically taken their land, diverted their water sources, destroyed their homes and crops, and shot their children through the barrier fences. Look at what's been going on in Gaza and the West Bank for the last year, if you don't believe me. Who exactly is on the brink of extermination here?

If Israel doesn't need our weapons, then why are they the largest recipient of US weapons in the world?

Israel is a major weapons exporter, but its military has been heavily reliant on imported aircraft, guided bombs and missiles to conduct what experts have described as one of the most intense and destructive aerial campaigns in recent history.

Campaign groups and some politicians among Israel's Western allies say arms exports should be suspended because, they say, Israel is failing to do enough to protect the lives of civilians and ensure enough humanitarian aid reaches them.
. . . . .
The US is by far the biggest supplier of arms to Israel, having helped it build one of the most technologically sophisticated militaries in the world.

According to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI), the US accounted for 69% of Israel's imports of major conventional arms between 2019 and 2023.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68737412

See post #24 above for more detail.

maxsolomon

(35,554 posts)
27. Given that the Holocaust is generational trauma for many Israeli Jews,
Mon Jan 13, 2025, 08:28 PM
Jan 13

And they've been fighting wars and terrorism with Arab Muslims over Israel's existence for 80 years, 10/7 was most definitely Existential for Israel.

10/7 was designed to provoke such a crisis, and to provoke nearly irrational, violent vengeance.

If the US had cut them off in the face of 10/7, they would have persevered with their own weapons.

Cutting them off after 10/7 would have been political suicide for Biden. Turns out NOT cutting them off was too, so that was probably part of Sinwar's calculus.

Sundance1220

(248 posts)
36. No, but they sided with hitler
Tue Jan 14, 2025, 10:10 AM
Jan 14

I know it's terribly inconvenient to mention that but that's the history.

Gaugamela

(2,708 posts)
26. Netanyahu doesn't give a rat's ass about the hostages. That's what all the protests in Israel have been about.
Mon Jan 13, 2025, 08:22 PM
Jan 13

Biden could have used the threat of cutting off arms shipments to force Netanyahu to negotiate in good faith and accept a permanent ceasefire deal in exchange for the hostages -- but he didn't.

See posts #24 and #25 above for more detail.

Gaugamela

(2,708 posts)
34. The question is whether Netanyahu can negotiate in good faith, which is what
Tue Jan 14, 2025, 09:21 AM
Jan 14

I said. Israel has a long history of sabotaging talks by piling on a tranche of unacceptable demands at the last moment, because they never wanted an agreement in the first place. They want to annex Gaza and the West Bank, and to ethnically cleanse or annihilate the Palestinians. White European settler colonialism always decimates the indigenous population, all the while calling them “savages” or “terrorists” and blaming them for their own demise. Small wonder it was Britain and the US who spearheaded the establishment of Israel, which they did, by the way, because they didn’t want all those Jewish refugees landing on their shores.

BBC 1/14/25

"The deal is almost ready and I think the Palestinian side has agreed to it, accepted it. They're waiting for the Israeli final response," Mustafa Barghouti has told BBC Radio 4's World at One programme.

"So we’re closer to the deal than any time before," he says, adding that is because "Netanyahu could not tolerate anymore the internal Israeli pressure and external pressure, especially coming from Trump."

When pressed by the interviewer to clarify if Hamas had agreed to the deal he said: "Yes I can say that they have accepted all the conditions. And it's not the first time... this deal is almost identical to what was proposed in July – and it was Netanyahu who undermined that.

We've lost more than 10,000 lives in the process in the six months."

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c93gddkk3vpt

Sundance1220

(248 posts)
35. Meanwhile Israel is the side that HAS
Tue Jan 14, 2025, 10:06 AM
Jan 14

made peace with its neighbors - try Egypt (treaty holding for 50+ years) and Jordan (treaty holding for 30+ years). When has freaking hamas ever made peace with anyone? But you go ahead and blame bibi and give the freaking terrorists a pass. Since you and the bbc consider hamas not being allowed to return as leaders of the Gazans (something your side has been saying the poor innocent Gazans wanted all along) is an unacceptable condition, we are done with this ridiculous conversation.

Jack Valentino

(1,601 posts)
8. Joe should have pressed harder on this before the election,
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 10:36 PM
Jan 12

and I love Joe... but this is my only disappointment with him

 

endgenocide

(166 posts)
9. Seems like he might have
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 10:49 PM
Jan 12

"demanded" a cease fire fire before agreeing to send 8 billion in bombs and bullets to Israel just last week? Biden has been a great President but his handling of the situation in Gaza has been confusing?

maxsolomon

(35,554 posts)
18. That SALE is not a done deal, but it is certainly likely.
Mon Jan 13, 2025, 02:45 PM
Jan 13
U.S. President Joe Biden's administration has notified Congress of a proposed $8 billion arms sale to Israel, two U.S. officials said, with Washington maintaining support for its ally whose war in Gaza has killed tens of thousands.
The deal would need approval from House of Representatives and Senate committees and includes munitions for fighter jets and attack helicopters as well as artillery shells. The package also includes small-diameter bombs and warheads, according to the sources.


Lots of Arms Sales going out the door, all the time: https://www.dsca.mil/press-media/major-arms-sales?page=125

LeftInTX

(31,780 posts)
10. It's all on Netanyahu, not Biden. It always has been.
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 11:02 PM
Jan 12

Netanyahu doesn't want any protesters tarnishing his baby Trump

womanofthehills

(9,435 posts)
21. How many billions have we given to Israel?
Mon Jan 13, 2025, 03:37 PM
Jan 13

PBS - “U.S. military aid for Israel tops $17.9 billion since last Oct. 7”

Hamas has 100 prisoners- Israel holds close to 10,000 Palestinians.

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