Biden calls for immediate ceasefire in call with Netanyahu, White House says
Source: Reuters
January 12, 2025 1:17 PM EST Updated 3 hours ago
WASHINGTON, Jan 12 (Reuters) - U.S. President Joe Biden spoke on Sunday with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, the White House said, as U.S. officials race to reach a Gaza hostage and ceasefire deal before Biden leaves office on Jan. 20.
Biden and Netanyahu discussed efforts underway to reach a deal to halt the fighting in the Palestinian enclave and free the remaining hostages there, the White House said in a statement after the two leaders spoke by telephone. Biden "stressed the immediate need for a ceasefire in Gaza and return of the hostages with a surge in humanitarian aid enabled by a stoppage in the fighting under the deal," it said.
Netanyahu updated Biden on progress in the talks and on the mandate he has given his top-level security delegation now in Doha in order to advance a hostage deal, Netanyahu said in a statement.
The two leaders also discussed "the fundamentally changed regional circumstances following the ceasefire deal in Lebanon, the fall of the Assad regime in Syria, and the weakening of Irans power in the region," the White House said. Biden's national security adviser Jake Sullivan told CNN's "State of the Union" program earlier on Sunday that the parties were "very, very close" to reaching a deal, but still had to get it across the finish line.
Read more: https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/biden-likely-talk-with-netanyahu-hostage-deal-very-close-security-adviser-says-2025-01-12/
ificandream
(10,945 posts)BumRushDaShow
(146,022 posts)this feels like the opposite - a repeat of 1981 and Raygun's inauguration day.
drray23
(8,062 posts)Same thing that happened with Jimmy Carter and the Iranian hostage situation.
dutch777
(3,780 posts)...letting this go on and on. And from each cycle of violence the terrorists come by more vicious, dedicated and in greater numbers.
LeftInTX
(31,780 posts)walkingman
(8,727 posts)Trump will get credit for ending the conflict (or cease fire) when in reality Israel could have declared victory months ago.
endgenocide
(166 posts)Not while there are still buildings, schools and hospitals to destroy!
Sundance1220
(248 posts)as long as there was even one hostage left behind. You obiously have no idea how Israeli's think.
walkingman
(8,727 posts)an agreement, including releasing the hostages, if it were not for Netanyahu. I also think that until Israel abides by International law regarding the settlements, there will never be peace. I can not understand why that is hard to understand?
thebigidea
(13,436 posts)in exchange for what?
Sundance1220
(248 posts)With all due respect, I think it's ridiculous to think hamas would have given back the hostages. Blaming just Bibi is delusional.
Gaugamela
(2,708 posts)ended this tens of thousands of deaths ago.
LeftInTX
(31,780 posts)Gaugamela
(2,708 posts)LeftInTX
(31,780 posts)Why don't they want them from Trump?
Gaugamela
(2,708 posts)The US sends more weapons to Israel than to any other country. Israel gets 70% of their arms from us. This link from the Council on Foreign Relations has several charts laying it out.
https://www.cfr.org/article/us-aid-israel-four-charts
Israel does make weapons but not on the scale necessary to sustain the current genocide in Gaza. And if they were self-sufficient in weapons manufacturing, then why are we spending so much on supplying them? And what difference would it make if we cut them off?
If you pay attention to reporting on the conflict, it is mentioned over and over again that the bombs falling on Gaza are US made. So are the planes. This is why there has been so many protests here in the US.
In the '80s when Israel invaded Lebanon Reagan called up Menachim Begin and told him to get out of Lebanon or he would cut off all arms shipments. Begin called back in 20 minutes to inform Reagan that they were withdrawing. US presidents have historically used this leverage to keep Israeli expansionism in check. Until now. Biden could have used this pressure to force Netanyahu to accept a ceasefire deal in exchange for the hostages a year ago. It says something when Ronald Reagan has the high moral ground on this.
. . . .
The US is by far the biggest supplier of arms to Israel, having helped it build one of the most technologically sophisticated militaries in the world.
According to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI), the US accounted for 69% of Israel's imports of major conventional arms between 2019 and 2023.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68737412
LeftInTX
(31,780 posts)Does Israel have free will???
This whole protest stuff was staged to get Trump elected.
The protesting miraculously stopped as soon as Trump won.
Once again the protests were all about "genocide Joe" and "killer Kamala". They never said a negative word about Trump...ever....
Gaugamela
(2,708 posts)maxsolomon
(35,554 posts)10/7 made this an existential issue for Israel. They like our congressionally appropriated bombs, but they make plenty of their own.
Gaugamela
(2,708 posts)an existential threat to the US.
The Palestinians do not have fighter aircraft, tanks, 500 lb or 2000 lb bombs, cruise missiles, a navy, or nuclear weapons. Israel has been an existential threat to the Palestinians since the Nakba. Israel has systematically taken their land, diverted their water sources, destroyed their homes and crops, and shot their children through the barrier fences. Look at what's been going on in Gaza and the West Bank for the last year, if you don't believe me. Who exactly is on the brink of extermination here?
If Israel doesn't need our weapons, then why are they the largest recipient of US weapons in the world?
Campaign groups and some politicians among Israel's Western allies say arms exports should be suspended because, they say, Israel is failing to do enough to protect the lives of civilians and ensure enough humanitarian aid reaches them.
. . . . .
The US is by far the biggest supplier of arms to Israel, having helped it build one of the most technologically sophisticated militaries in the world.
According to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI), the US accounted for 69% of Israel's imports of major conventional arms between 2019 and 2023.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68737412
See post #24 above for more detail.
maxsolomon
(35,554 posts)And they've been fighting wars and terrorism with Arab Muslims over Israel's existence for 80 years, 10/7 was most definitely Existential for Israel.
10/7 was designed to provoke such a crisis, and to provoke nearly irrational, violent vengeance.
If the US had cut them off in the face of 10/7, they would have persevered with their own weapons.
Cutting them off after 10/7 would have been political suicide for Biden. Turns out NOT cutting them off was too, so that was probably part of Sinwar's calculus.
Gaugamela
(2,708 posts)Sundance1220
(248 posts)I know it's terribly inconvenient to mention that but that's the history.
maxsolomon
(35,554 posts)Doesn't mean a Pogrom like 10/7 won't trigger generational trauma.
Sundance1220
(248 posts)That was never going to happen.
Gaugamela
(2,708 posts)Biden could have used the threat of cutting off arms shipments to force Netanyahu to negotiate in good faith and accept a permanent ceasefire deal in exchange for the hostages -- but he didn't.
See posts #24 and #25 above for more detail.
Sundance1220
(248 posts)I literally cannot believe you think that was possible.
Gaugamela
(2,708 posts)I said. Israel has a long history of sabotaging talks by piling on a tranche of unacceptable demands at the last moment, because they never wanted an agreement in the first place. They want to annex Gaza and the West Bank, and to ethnically cleanse or annihilate the Palestinians. White European settler colonialism always decimates the indigenous population, all the while calling them savages or terrorists and blaming them for their own demise. Small wonder it was Britain and the US who spearheaded the establishment of Israel, which they did, by the way, because they didnt want all those Jewish refugees landing on their shores.
"The deal is almost ready and I think the Palestinian side has agreed to it, accepted it. They're waiting for the Israeli final response," Mustafa Barghouti has told BBC Radio 4's World at One programme.
"So were closer to the deal than any time before," he says, adding that is because "Netanyahu could not tolerate anymore the internal Israeli pressure and external pressure, especially coming from Trump."
When pressed by the interviewer to clarify if Hamas had agreed to the deal he said: "Yes I can say that they have accepted all the conditions. And it's not the first time... this deal is almost identical to what was proposed in July and it was Netanyahu who undermined that.
We've lost more than 10,000 lives in the process in the six months."
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c93gddkk3vpt
Sundance1220
(248 posts)made peace with its neighbors - try Egypt (treaty holding for 50+ years) and Jordan (treaty holding for 30+ years). When has freaking hamas ever made peace with anyone? But you go ahead and blame bibi and give the freaking terrorists a pass. Since you and the bbc consider hamas not being allowed to return as leaders of the Gazans (something your side has been saying the poor innocent Gazans wanted all along) is an unacceptable condition, we are done with this ridiculous conversation.
Jack Valentino
(1,601 posts)and I love Joe... but this is my only disappointment with him
endgenocide
(166 posts)"demanded" a cease fire fire before agreeing to send 8 billion in bombs and bullets to Israel just last week? Biden has been a great President but his handling of the situation in Gaza has been confusing?
maxsolomon
(35,554 posts)The deal would need approval from House of Representatives and Senate committees and includes munitions for fighter jets and attack helicopters as well as artillery shells. The package also includes small-diameter bombs and warheads, according to the sources.
Lots of Arms Sales going out the door, all the time: https://www.dsca.mil/press-media/major-arms-sales?page=125
LeftInTX
(31,780 posts)Netanyahu doesn't want any protesters tarnishing his baby Trump
womanofthehills
(9,435 posts)PBS - U.S. military aid for Israel tops $17.9 billion since last Oct. 7
Hamas has 100 prisoners- Israel holds close to 10,000 Palestinians.
LeftInTX
(31,780 posts)pfitz59
(11,188 posts)Leave it to the orange bullshitter to fan the Mideast flames.