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BumRushDaShow

(145,061 posts)
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 06:25 PM 22 hrs ago

TikTok warns of broad consequences if Supreme Court allows ban

Source: Reuters

January 11, 2025 7:53 AM EST Updated 11 hours ago


WASHINGTON, Jan 11 (Reuters) - The lawyer for TikTok and its Chinese parent company ByteDance offered a warning during Supreme Court arguments over a law that would compel the sale of the short-video app or ban it in the United States: If Congress could do this to TikTok, it could come after other companies, too.

The law, which was the subject of arguments before the nine justices on Friday, sets a Jan. 19 deadline for ByteDance to sell the popular social media platform or face a ban on national security grounds. The companies have sought, at the very least, a delay in implementation of the law, which they say violates the U.S. Constitution's First Amendment protection against government abridgment of free speech.

Noel Francisco, representing TikTok and ByteDance, argued that Supreme Court endorsement of this law could enable statutes targeting other companies on similar grounds.

"AMC movie theaters used to be owned by a Chinese company. Under this theory, Congress could order AMC movie theaters to censor any movies that Congress doesn't like or promote any movies that Congress wanted," Francisco told the justices. The justices signaled through their questions during the arguments that they were inclined to uphold the law, although some expressed serious concerns about its First Amendment implications.

Read more: https://www.reuters.com/legal/tiktok-warns-broader-consequences-if-us-supreme-court-allows-ban-2025-01-11/

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TikTok warns of broad consequences if Supreme Court allows ban (Original Post) BumRushDaShow 22 hrs ago OP
Specious argument and they know it. emulatorloo 22 hrs ago #1
What a bunch of amateurs endgenocide 21 hrs ago #2
Yes, but they had several chances to find an American partner FakeNoose 21 hrs ago #3
Yes, the government presumably could. Igel 20 hrs ago #4
There is one issue here that is usually overlooked in the coverage... Shipwack 14 hrs ago #5

endgenocide

(87 posts)
2. What a bunch of amateurs
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 07:50 PM
21 hrs ago

AMC movie theaters does not collect the ticket holders data. This argument like everything else diaper Don does is made for the rubes what watch FOX News. Tik-tok needs to either divest to an American owned companies that shields its users data from China or shut down. I think th3 country can survive with one less needless social media toy.

FakeNoose

(36,164 posts)
3. Yes, but they had several chances to find an American partner
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 07:55 PM
21 hrs ago

... or to sell out to an American company. Time's up Tiktok. Good-bye!

Igel

(36,352 posts)
4. Yes, the government presumably could.
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 09:06 PM
20 hrs ago

It's already (recently) been shown that what the recommends in TikTok do tend to skew pro-PRC and pro-PRC party line on issues that the PRC cares about. The PRC proper and international issues like their ME relations, such as Gaza (where even a recent PRC presentation managed to erase the Israeli borders and label the area "Palestine" ... Tres a la Hamas). If you're pro-PRC they through you more pro-PRC recs, if you're anti-PRC they still more often than not give you pro-PRC recs. It's not all reinforcing what you prefer, the usual complaint. So, yeah, there's a "let's manipulate the impressionable youth" component to it.

Their recommend algorithm isn't just there to bump up the number of views. There's also a push for some preferred topics to be viewed--I imagine this means some people will be turned off and *reduce* the number of views. So it's not a pure "capitalist", view-driven algorithm. Hate it on Facebook, hate it on TikTok.

However, this issue is mostly a canard, a misdirect, and a fairly blatant one. One online source did justice to the issue when it pointed out the irony implicit in a Kavanaugh question that made it all but a "gotcha question". The gist of the question was whether they thought it possible that years after you did something as a teenager, say when you're in government or up for some important governmental post, something embarrassing from your teen years could suddenly show up to skewer you and slam your possible appointment or position or compromise you after the fact? The TikTok lawyer was simply stuck. He couldn't answer "no" given the circumstance; to answer "yes" would be to concede the national security point or be forced to argue that the PRC was not a security concern. So he avoided the question and the justices came back to it. As they should have.

The same "youthful indiscretion" bit could be said for a previous (D) governor. Or any number of other people. Heck, I know adults who do stupid things and immediately regret it--once and done, the act reflects some stupid whim or poor decision or lack of thinking because of those LI iced teas and while it may reflect a weakness it doesn't reflect a deeply held character trait or habit.

Shipwack

(2,364 posts)
5. There is one issue here that is usually overlooked in the coverage...
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 03:10 AM
14 hrs ago

While I'm not a fan of the PRC's government, the truth is that Tik-Tok is doing nothing that American companies aren't already doing.

They collect and store user data, Facebook et al collects and stores user data.

Tik-Tok pushes certain beliefs upon users, YouTube pushes beliefs on users.

Etc...

None of these tech giants should be collecting, storing, and selling user data. Police departments often don't even bother trying to get a warrant. It's easier and faster just to buy the information (such as location data) from a data broker.

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